rear wheel "click"

[Steptoe]

not sure if this has been discussed in here,, have done some searching, can't find anything,,

do or have any of you fella's had "special" rear wheels that click at low speeds
{only seems to be in them } with a very light vibration, { in the handle bars on my bike } that puts your hands to sleep that can't be explained ?

I've been living with this for yonks, but there are now quite a few here down under with the same problem, so I have been doing some pulling apart

I have found the cause and a solution

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frH8btPH6d4

it,s a bit long but I wanted a bit of detail in the vid

the other clicking you hear thru out is the electric fence

[crazy steve]

Well, the first thing I noticed was you pulling the spline drive/rubber cushions out by simply pulling on them. Every wheel I've ever seen, those rubber bushings are pressed into the wheel and don't come out (at least not in one piece).

Now, I don't know if the non-XS wheels you show were built differently, or if this was something done to the non-US-market bikes, or if these wheels have been modified for some reason. But seeing how those bushings are what locates and retains the spline drive, if they're loose it's no wonder you're getting noises...

[DGXSER]

Interesting video, shows your about like me. All that time spent finding the issue, more time inventing a solution. then after putting in your thinking time, you find the solution was there all along.

When you showed the paper fix I thought that is not the issue, it should not need something extra there, and paper would never last if the metal is supposed to move like that. The o-rings make some sense. I also have to wonder if it is a torque issue on those bolts to though.

[justme1100]

I am so glad you looked into this, my rear wheel clicks like a roller coaster going up hill. I am off to find my O-rings, THANKS. On a side note I must say you sure took the long way round to it. I did enjoy the video, good thing I had a few minutes while waiting for my lady to get dressed.

[Ken Talbot]

SWMBO's 'H used to have a much lesser click in the rear end. That one turned out to be lack of grease in the spline connection between the rear wheel and the final drive. I took the wheel off, slathered up both halves of the spline connection, put it back together, and the click was gone. That being said, the click o SWMBO's machine was nowhere near as severe as what you had, but that might be because I caught it earlier.

JAT for anybody else experiencing a click just once in a while.

[Phoenix Rider]

Great Job on You Tube Video

This also may help for a vibration.

Interesting video posted on you tube. I had rebuilt my final drive due to gear oil spraying on my rim and tire. I also replaced the bearings and o-rings in the wheel itself. I did have a vibration after it was all back together. It would only get a vibration at higher speeds. What I had to do was squeeze the right side of the swingarm in tight to the back wheel. I found when I took it apart the swingarm spread apart enough that the torque of the axle didn't quite pull it in enough. I inserted a screwdriver into the hole in the axle, then loosened off the pinch bolt, and used a pry bar up against the small hook located on the right swingarm pushed in toward the back wheel, then retightened up the pinch bolt. If all else fails give this a try.

Wayne

[Steptoe]

bushes

the issue of the bushes coming out with the splines is from when I had the wheel powder coated,,
the heat from the process melted the glue, hence the result,,

there is a short vid there about this as well,,,
my new wheel doesn't have the same problem as you can see

for those that want to ,, o-ring sizes,,,,,,,,,,,,,,3.5 x 40.7,,,,,,,,,,& 3.1 x 58.4

what that is in imperial,, for you guys,, beats me

[tinman905]

Hey Steptoe , that was a good video. I have never had this problem with my rear wheel but appreciate the effort you put into your video. I can see you have the XS11 "Bug". Cheers!!!!!

[3Phase]

Steptoe, that was great! and so simple ....

[Eveready1100]

Hi Crazy Steve. Just a note to say those are genuine XS11 wheels Steptoe's handling there. One has been modded to take a 15" rim for better gearing with a sidecar, but both were originally fitted to the XS1100R which was marketed over here as the RH. They are the same as the XJ1100 wheels which will explain why Justme1100's bike has the clicky noise.

[79XS11F]

Well, the first thing I noticed was you pulling the spline drive/rubber cushions out by simply pulling on them. Every wheel I've ever seen, those rubber bushings are pressed into the wheel and don't come out (at least not in one piece).

Now, I don't know if the non-XS wheels you show were built differently, or if this was something done to the non-US-market bikes, or if these wheels have been modified for some reason. But seeing how those bushings are what locates and retains the spline drive, if they're loose it's no wonder you're getting noises...

This is a potential issue for sure. The paper may have corrected the noise but I do not believe it has corrected the cause. When I took my wheels apart for glass beading and paint, I had to tap the hub out with a hammer. It was the same going back in. I needed to tap it back into place with a hammer. I also do not think that sort of movement would create a clicking noise. I would be inclined to think the issue is likely some play between the rollers / balls within a bearing and perhaps in the "rare" left hand side bearing. Click click as the balls contact each other in the race. It would not take much.
Rob

[tinman905]

This is a potential issue for sure. The paper may have corrected the noise but I do not believe it has corrected the cause. When I took my wheels apart for glass beading and paint, I had to tap the hub out with a hammer. It was the same going back in. I needed to tap it back into place with a hammer. I also do not think that sort of movement would create a clicking noise. I would be inclined to think the issue is likely some play between the rollers / balls within a bearing and perhaps in the "rare" left hand side bearing. Click click as the balls contact each other in the race. It would not take much.
Rob

I thought he solved the clicking noise and found there is no need for the paper gasket. It was an "O" ring between the rear diff and the rim that was worn and missing causing the clicking.

[79XS11F]

The O-rings are to create a seal, not to absorb any free play between the parts. Not having them in place or having them in place when they are not creating a seal is not good ether. Ether way I do not think missing them would create any noise. I think these apparent fixes are happenstance only and the real cause of the click remains unsolved. If it is not dry bearings it is something else. Think about the clicking you hear from the wheels in a 10 speed bicycle when the wheel bearings need service. To me this is a very similar situation and noise.
Rob

[justme1100]

the issue of the bushes coming out with the splines is from when I had the wheel powder coated,,
the heat from the process melted the glue, hence the result,,

there is a short vid there about this as well,,,
my new wheel doesn't have the same problem as you can see

for those that want to ,, o-ring sizes,,,,,,,,,,,,,,3.5 x 40.7,,,,,,,,,,& 3.1 x 58.4

what that is in imperial,, for you guys,, beats me

We have to contend with both here, inches and millimeters, and that can get confusing at times.

[motoman]

Interesting video................knowing that I no longer need a tall multidrawer toolbox and can disassemble most of the XS with a adjustable wrench and a screwdriver is a + also.