Wiseco kit

[TexinMaine]

So what would be the benefit of installing the 1179 kit. I also see they have a 1196 kit, would this be a better choice?


Tex

[DGXSER]

Besides the obvious advantage of having a bigger bore engine which will prodce more HP, if your engine is in need of rings, this is a good solution.

It is difficult at best to find stock rings for these engines. So alot of folks buy 1st over and grind them down to fit. The stock size sell for close to $100 PER CYLINDER so $400 to have the same power you started off with. Bullet has the 1179 kit up for sale at $500, now there is still machine work to be done to your cylinders, but you get more power out of it.

As to 1179 versus 1196, just 20 ccs.

[Bullet]

plus

- wiseco pistons forged, better quality than OEM
- wiseco rings, better quality
- more compression = more hp

my engine with a 1179 kit is now more than broken in, and compression readings are 170-175 psi. right across the board ..

OEM cyl bore is 71.5 mm , 1179 kit bore is 74.00 mm

[TexinMaine]

I was just wondering if the cost would be equal to or greater than the end result? Right now my SG runs great, plenty of power and acceleration. I recon if some time down the line I do need major overhaul it might be a good idea and go ahead with the upgrade. My main concern would be the grinding of the cylinder walls. I assume they were designed to run the diameter size pistons that are in them and if I go grinding them down would that have an affect on their durability? I have seen some talk about the kits and was wondering if every body had the funds and ability to change them would they?


Tex

[11Rider]

I can't see any problem with durability. You would have less to work with on future rebuilds, but considering how long a well maintained 11 engine lasts, it probably wouldn't be an issue in your lifetime

[Pat Kelly]

As these kits just keep getting more X$pen$ive, a plan would to buy the big bore kit now (if able to) and save it for the bike later, install now, or re-sell for profit should the bike last forever or you sell it.
My LG needed rings and valve stem seals. I considered the 1179 kit, then go to the 1196 kit in the future as the bike wore. Then reality hit. The bike is 30 years old. I am 50 years old. If the kit lasts as long as OEM (bike was abused by PO) then I'd be 80 and rebuilding a 60 year-old bike/hot rod.
The bike has the 1200 (1196) kit.
In 2060 I'll take my jet-pack (my Dad has the blueprints).

[crazy steve]

...My main concern would be the grinding of the cylinder walls. I assume they were designed to run the diameter size pistons that are in them and if I go grinding them down would that have an affect on their durability? I have seen some talk about the kits and was wondering if every body had the funds and ability to change them would they?

On an air-cooled motor doing a large overbore isn't the issue it can be on a water cooled; there's no pesky water jackets that you have to worry about breaking into. And a 2.5 or 3 mm overbore (roughly .100") isn't that much in this case, so bore durability/stability isn't a big deal unless maybe you're planning to turbo it.

The dispacement increase isn't really where most of the additional power comes from in any case; these kits bump the compression ratio up a point, and that makes more difference than the overbore...

[Bullet]

As these kits just keep getting more X$pen$ive, a plan would to buy the big bore kit now (if able to) and save it for the bike later, install now, or re-sell for profit should the bike last forever or you sell it.

Another good point ..

My supplier tells me Wiseco is gonna discontinue these kits sooner than later.

Not much call for them, and if they ain't selling them, why make them ?

The big bore kit I have for sale I bought a few months ago to build another engine, but I have changed my mind and am not gonna do it now, so this is the only reason I am selling it.

The engine I built for my current ride should last longer than I will be around ..


I ordered a extra big bore head gasket a couple weeks ago (I am swapping to a hi-perf cyl head and cams this winter ) from my supplier and Wiseco didn't have any stock, it is still on back order ..

Word I got, was Wiseco is gonna one small production run on this part, then that's it .. discontinued..

[XS1100_OEM4ME]

Xs1100

I was just wondering if the cost would be equal to or greater than the end result? Right now my SG runs great, plenty of power and acceleration. I recon if some time down the line I do need major overhaul it might be a good idea and go ahead with the upgrade. My main concern would be the grinding of the cylinder walls. I assume they were designed to run the diameter size pistons that are in them and if I go grinding them down would that have an affect on their durability? I have seen some talk about the kits and was wondering if every body had the funds and ability to change them would they?


Tex

Heck, you can buy a complet XS1100 for around $850.00 with everything working great (that is a shame) You can sell the OEM exaust on Ebay for $500.00 making your cost $350.00 for a bike that does not need fixed!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...K%3AMEWAX%3AIT

[natemoen]

Heck, you can buy a complet XS1100 for around $850.00 with everything working great (that is a shame) You can sell the OEM exaust on Ebay for $500.00 making your cost $350.00 for a bike that does not need fixed!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...K%3AMEWAX%3AIT

There was that new stock exhaust that just went for almost 1600 bucks!

[ManagerMike]

So what would be the benefit of installing the 1179 kit. I also see they have a 1196 kit, would this be a better choice?


Tex

Only if you have to overhaul the engine, then go with which ever is more affordable. Myself, if the engine ever gets worn out enough to need new rings I'll part out the bike. I'm sure finding buyers shouldn't be too difficult, I've heard there is a website devoted to the xs and xj bike somewhwere.
Don't get me wrong, I love my bike, but I don't think I could talk myself into dropping 500 plus bucks into just one fix on a bike worth 800 bucks jmo.

[Elevener]

Another good point ..


I ordered a extra big bore head gasket a couple weeks ago (I am swapping to a hi-perf cyl head and cams this winter ) from my supplier and Wiseco didn't have any stock, it is still on back order ..

Word I got, was Wiseco is gonna one small production run on this part, then that's it .. discontinued..

You have me scared so I went to the site and it says they are in stock, but I havent ordered one yet so dont know.

As to putting $500 into an $850 bike. These bikes arent an investment. I dont even consider or keep track of what I spend. If I can afford it at the time I buy it.

Whats really cool about fixing them all up is when we die or sell the bikes somebody else is gonna pick up one cheap and it will be good for another 30.

[Bullet]

Everyone has their reasons to own a XS1100 .. and how much they spend or do to it ..

Some people are satisfied with just a $ 850 pleasure runner, while others have no issues restoring a 30 yr old motorcycle .. everyone sees these bikes differently.

I had my own reasons to do what I did ( total restoration ) and love the end result. The bike been on the road since the end of June, I have put 5000 + clicks on it since then, and it is reliable as a Rolex.

I have a newer Honda VT1100 Sabre in the garage as well and it hasn't been driven much since I got my XS on the road.. XS is way more fun to drive, and you can't just walk in buy one of these off the showroom floor

I have enuff parts to build another XS, but not the time, so the parts I have collected are on the block for sale ..


For anyone who is interested, I still have the 1179 Kit for sale.. in my parts for sale thread.

[dpotter58]

couple on ebay right now
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/YAMAH...Q5fAccessories

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/YAMAH...Q5fAccessories