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  • Stuck Carb Jet

    This jet is stuck. Really stuck. Tried a small allen wrench, smaller flathead and philips heads, nothing. Any ideas? I am going to toss the jet and replace it as soon as it comes loose.
    Sam Christensen
    The Chronicles of my Rebuild http://xs1100rebuild.blogspot.com

    --------------------------------------------------------
    If you are leading and no one is following, maybe your just taking a walk.

    Currently bikeless. Sold my 1980 XS1100 Special

  • #2
    Hi Sam,
    Ive been fortunate enuff not to have had
    that problem, but from reading others that
    have, spray the jet with penetrating oil, and
    stick the carb in the freezer for a bit, because
    the jets are brass and the carb is alloy they will
    contract differently and hopefully enough to loosen.
    pete


    new owner of
    08 gen2 hayabusa


    former owner
    1981 xs1100 RH (aus) (5N5)
    zrx carbs
    18mm float height
    145 main jets
    38 pilots
    slide needle shimmed .5mm washer
    fitted with v/stax and uni pod filters

    [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pA8dwxmAVA&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL[/url]

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    • #3
      I would pick up a 3/8 drive "allen wrench" with a 3" long or so shaft and grind the end of it down to a flat screwdriver configuration that will exactly fit the drive slot in the jet you already have out. You may also have to grind down the hex body a bit so it will reach wdown to the jet. This will let you whack it with an impact driver with no danger of the driver slipping out of the slot and chewing up the brass.
      Ken Talbot

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      • #4
        Harbor freight sells a little impact driver that comes with a number of different tips. One of them is a long slender phillips head that may lend itself to grinding to a flat blade. It's narrow enough to fit down the hole, and it's on sale for $2.99. I've got one, and it's not a bad little tool. Just gotta make sure you've got it set for the right direction before you start pounding on it .

        Last edited by dbeardslee; 06-18-2010, 10:27 PM.
        I think I have a loose screw behind the handlebars.

        '79 XS11 Standard, Jardine 4/1, Dyna DC1-1 Coils, 145 mains, 45 pilots, plastic floats - 25.7mm, XV920 fuel valves, inline fuel filters, speed bleeders, Mikes XS pods, spade-type fuse block, fork brace, progressive fork springs/shocks, manual petcocks, 750 FD, Venture cam chain tensioner, SS brake lines

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        • #5
          Sounds like perhaps you have already destroyed the slot for the screw driver in the jet. I had one like that before. Do, for certain, soak and I mean soak that little PITA with some type of penetrating oil like PB Blaster, and from experience I can tell you WD40 is NOT a substitute. I then used a small extractor and it popped loose. But, be very very cautious with the extractor, they are VERY hard and therefore brittle. If you feel like your putting alot of force on it, stop. Getting the thing cleared out after busting the extractor off is about impossible.
          Life is what happens while your planning everything else!

          When your work speaks for itself, don't interrupt.

          81 XS1100 Special - Humpty Dumpty
          80 XS1100 Special - Project Resurrection


          Previously owned
          93 GSX600F
          80 XS1100 Special - Ruby
          81 XS1100 Special
          81 CB750 C
          80 CB750 C
          78 XS750

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          • #6
            I've found that using a little heat directed right on the pilot jet body once you've soaked them with PB or the like, helps them come right out. If you try this before you break off the slot ears it will come out.
            You will want to make sure you have cleaned the carb and removed all traces of fuel... I typically have the carb disassembled, ie. diaphram, emulsion tube, float & fuel valve removed.

            I use a small propane torch. One of the pen sized torches work just fine too.
            Richard

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            • #7
              I spray some oil on mine, then heat the carb body with a propane torch, usually works as long as there is still a screw head left. If not then a small screw extractor ( I think its a #2 or 3) is a perfect fit for the hole already in the jet and works every time.
              1979 xs1100 Special -
              Stock air box/K&N Filter, MAC 4-2 exhaust, Bad-Boy Air horn, TC fuse box, Windshield, Soft bags, Vetter Fairing, Blinkers->Run/Turn/Brake Lights, Headlight Modulator, hard wire GPS power

              Short Stack - 1981 xs1100 Standard - lowered for SWMBO.

              Originally posted by fredintoon
              Goes like a train, corners like a cow, shifts like a Russian tractor, drinks like a fish, you are gonna love it.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by digitalsam View Post
                This jet is stuck. Really stuck. - - - Any ideas? I am going to toss the jet and replace it as soon as it comes loose.
                Hi Sam,
                this has worked for me:-
                Get a long series screwdriver bit, the hexagonal one that goes in a power drill.
                Grind the tip to be an exact fit in the jet's screwdriver slot.
                Put the bit in the chuck of a bench drill press, block the carb body up on the press's work table and use the drill press feed arm to force the drill bit down into the remnants of the jet's screwdriver slot.
                rotate the drill chuck backwards BY HAND while maintaining the downward pressure.
                If there's any of the screwdriver slot still there, the jet will almost for sure break loose.
                Fred Hill, S'toon
                XS11SG with Spirit of America sidecar
                "The Flying Pumpkin"

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                • #9
                  PB Blaster

                  There is a product made by CRC called Knock'er Loose. Makes PB Blaster look like water. The other thing you might try is grinding a tapered square end on a socket head cap screw and using a Tee handled Allen wrench to turn it out. Tap the ground down screw into the jet until it wedges itself in and use the tee handle to push down while turning, that way it can't back out. We use this trick to get broken off brass water fitting out of plastic injection molds. The problem with EZ outs is that they SOMETIMES (not always) cause the brass to expand and stick tighter.
                  1979XS1100SF
                  K&N's and drilled airbox
                  Jardine 4in1
                  Dunlop Elite 3's
                  JBM slide diaphragms
                  142.5 main jets
                  45 pilot jets
                  T.C.'s fusebox & SOFA
                  750/850 FD mod.
                  XV 920 Needle Mod.
                  Mike's XS plastic floats set at 26mm
                  Venture Cam Chain Tensioner

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                  • #10
                    Heat has always been my ally. If you don't have a propane torch on hand one of the small cigar torch lighters will do the job.

                    Good to have around to mend a bad solder joint too.
                    RIP Whiskers (Shop Boss) 25+yrs

                    "It doesn't hurt until you find out no one is looking"

                    Everything on hold...

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                    • #11
                      Blue flame wrench!!!

                      well..... propane anyway.

                      aluminum expands more then brass.

                      heat it up and hit it with wd40 a few times, after heating it up the 3rd time use what ever turning device you can get to bite and turn it out.

                      heat will take care of it.

                      i've done MANY carbs with this method

                      just watch out for plastic and rubber pieces, as they will melt and burn.

                      good luck...

                      yeah, yeah, fires cool.
                      1979 XS1100SF Special.78 E motor/carbs, Jardine 4-2 exhaust, XS Green coils, Corbin seat, S.S. Brake lines, Hard cases, Heated grips.

                      2012 FJR1300 Gen 2. Heli bar risers, R-gaza crash bars, mccruise cruise control.

                      (2)2008 WR250R. Because kids outgrew others.

                      2007 Suzuki V-Strom 1000. (Just added 2024) pre-crashed.

                      1975 Kawasaki S1 250. My first bike. Still have it. NO I'm not selling it!!

                      Most bike problems are caused by a loose nut connecting the handlebars and the seat!!

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                      • #12
                        I just took my carbs apart and had the same problem. Luckly my jet had just enough left to get it out with a screwdriver.
                        1980 Yamaha XS1100 Std
                        4 into 1 exhast, pod filters
                        2003 Triumph Thruxton

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by DGXSER View Post
                          But, be very very cautious with the extractor, they are VERY hard and therefore brittle. If you feel like your putting alot of force on it, stop. Getting the thing cleared out after busting the extractor off is about impossible.
                          Ok I bought an extractor and very, very gently tried to extract the jet. Apparently I was using more force than I thought I was using, and... Snap! Dang fang frazzle snazzle, kick stomp arggh!

                          The carbs are in the freezer again waiting for any advice. Anyone? Is it time to take these to a machine shop to have them extract the jet?
                          Sam Christensen
                          The Chronicles of my Rebuild http://xs1100rebuild.blogspot.com

                          --------------------------------------------------------
                          If you are leading and no one is following, maybe your just taking a walk.

                          Currently bikeless. Sold my 1980 XS1100 Special

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                          • #14
                            If you get as desperate as I did, Harbor Freight also sells left handed drill bits. The point is not to drill out the jet, but to get the bit in deep enough that it grabs the jet and spins it out. Make sure you hit the middle and use a bit SMALLER than the throat the jet screws into. Go slowlllllllyyyy.

                            It worked, finally, for me after I had stripped anything resembling a screw driver slot of any type from the jet.

                            Patrick
                            The glorious rays of the rising sun exist only to create shadows in which doom may hide.

                            XS11F (Incubus, daily rider)
                            1969 Yamaha DT1B
                            Five other bikes whose names do not begin with "Y"

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                            • #15
                              So, is the broken off end of the snapped extractor still stuck in the jet? This happened to me once, and I had to resort to using diamond burrs in a Dremel tool to grind out the extractor before I could get back to work on the stuck jet.
                              Last edited by Ken Talbot; 08-14-2010, 06:33 PM.
                              Ken Talbot

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