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  • WARNING About Simple Green

    I'm posting this as a new thread after Mack had issues with using SG in his ultrasonic cleaner and made a mess out of one of his carb bodies. I did some research, and came up with this.

    Be very careful when using this stuff on aluminum. SG is very corrosive on aluminum, and is not allowed as an aluminum cleaner by either the DOD or the aircraft industry (actually, they don't want you cleaning anything on a aircraft with this stuff). For more info on this, go here:

    http://www.mechanicsupport.com/aircraft_cleaning.html

    In addition to the incident reported at the above site, I was told several years ago about another 'copter that had it's airframe eaten up from the crew using SG to clean the floors. I've been pretty cautious about my use of Simple Green ever since.

    There also seems to be a big difference in what alloy it's used on. Some it doesn't seem to bother all that much, some it will start eating in as little as 15 minutes. Seeing how the Japanese have a heavy reliance on 'recycled' aluminum, what kind of alloy you have on any given bike part is probably a crapshoot. And whether it's a casting or a forging/extrusion can make a difference; castings are considerably more porous, and the longer SG is on, the more likely it will 'soak' into the metal.

    And if you're diluting it, water seems to only make the effect worse, and some water is worse than others (different minerals/chemicals?); so where you live can affect your results.

    So if you're going to use SG, don't leave it in contact for long (ten minutes seems to be the max), and thoroughly rinse it off. One thing that everyone seemed to agree on; don't let it dry on the metal.

    All this is for the common, buy-it-anywhere SG. They do make an aluminum-specific type called 'Extreme Simple Green' that does have a few aircraft approvals, but I've never seen it.

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  • #2
    Originally posted by crazy steve View Post
    They do make an aluminum-specific type called 'Extreme Simple Green' that does have a few aircraft approvals, but I've never seen it.
    Here's what it looks like:



    It's in their "industrial" cleaner selection, so it probably does not show up at your local hardware store. Grainger, Fastenal and a few other places carry it though. Both of those have stores near me, so if I ever get an Ultrasonic cleaner, I may just have to get me some!
    Last edited by CatatonicBug; 01-24-2010, 01:25 AM.
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    • #3
      I use it exclusively to clean carbs in the USC. I run them for almost an hour in hot, diluted simple green. I have NEVER had a problem. However, I rinse them very well.
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      • #4
        81, what is the dilution ratio that you use?
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        • #5
          We used SG on dang near everything on a jet when I was in the military. We used to use stuff call Miri-Chem.. looked like milk. It broke down oil and made it water soluble? After basically taking a bath in it for a couple years, they came in and pulled all our drums of it without explanation. Can you say guinea pig boys and girls?? lol. They replaced this Miri-Chem with SG and we used it exclusively on everything for the guns, missile launchers, bomb racks.. etc.

          They could have changed that since I've been in though.

          Tod
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          • #6
            I use SG all the time to clean and degrease the motor and never had a problem. I never leave it on the motor long, though, and like 81 I always rinse it well. Still, you can never be too careful. Thanks for the heads-up.
            I think I have a loose screw behind the handlebars.

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            • #7
              I don't use simple green, but rather use purple power which I get at my local auto parts store. They stock it right next to the gunk degreaser and it works pretty well. It does however say to NOT let it dry on aluminum surfaces, but it does a pretty good job of getting things clean.
              Cy

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              • #8
                The biggest problem I have experienced with SG is that it draws ants -- lots of them! They seem to think it smells like food or ferimones (not that they seem amorous).
                Skids (Sid Hansen)

                Down to one 1978 E. Stock air box with K&N filter, 81H pipes and carbs, 8500 feet elevation.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by trbig View Post
                  We used SG on dang near everything on a jet when I was in the military. We used to use stuff call Miri-Chem.. looked like milk. It broke down oil and made it water soluble? After basically taking a bath in it for a couple years, they came in and pulled all our drums of it without explanation. Can you say guinea pig boys and girls?? lol. They replaced this Miri-Chem with SG and we used it exclusively on everything for the guns, missile launchers, bomb racks.. etc.

                  They could have changed that since I've been in though.

                  Tod
                  I was really wondering WHAT was wrong with you.

                  In Viet Nam it was Agent Orange and LSD, I guess most recently it's Miri-Chem and Simple Green.

                  AH

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by trbig View Post

                    They could have changed that since I've been in though.

                    Tod
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                    • #11
                      Yea, they don't start airplanes by spinning the prop anymore and soldiers don't don't have to carry a powder horn or flints.
                      If that's the case.. then when you were of age, they were still using bows, arrows, and spears.


                      Tod
                      Try your hardest to be the kind of person your dog thinks you are.

                      You can live to be 100, as long as you give up everything that would make you want to live to be 100!

                      Current bikes:
                      '06 Suzuki DR650
                      *'82 XJ1100 with the 1179 kit. "Mad Maxim"
                      '82 XJ1100 Completely stock fixer-upper
                      '82 XJ1100 Bagger fixer-upper
                      '82 XJ1100 Motor/frame and lots of boxes of parts
                      '82 XJ1100 Parts bike
                      '81 XS1100 Special
                      '81 YZ250
                      '80 XS850 Special
                      '80 XR100
                      *Crashed/Totalled, still own

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                      • #12
                        Ultrasonic cleaners

                        Nice article If you are interested you can browse many ultrasonic cleaners. Not just ultrasonic lab glass ware cleaners but you will find many types of ultrasonic cleaners like mold cleaners , Fuel Injection cleaners , jewellry ultrasonic cleaners & other applications @ www.leelaelectronics.in

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                        • #13
                          I have always used good old fashioned DUNK for cleaning most parts and carb cleaner on carbs. A gallon of DUNK will last me many years. I soak the parts in it. Brush the parts with part cleaning brushes. When I'm done I filter the DUNK through a rag back into the can. After the parts is good and clean I will rinse the DUNK off the part with contact cleaner.
                          Rob
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                          • #14
                            Green isn't so bad!

                            Hey Folks,

                            It's not just SIMPLE GREEN....see the following link for the MSDS sheets and specs: http://www.simplegreen.com/products_msds.php

                            It's PH rating is 9.5, which is moderately Alkaline...vs. neutral of 7.0=Distilled Water.

                            ALL Alkalines are corrosive to raw aluminum, and most SOAPS are alkaline!!

                            So...the use of any alkaline solution with Aluminum needs to be monitored, and time restricted dependent on the actual PH involved, and rinsed thoroughly to remove the solution. However, it takes a good amount of rinsing to remove ALKALINES....just think how long it takes to rinse your hands of soap, or dishwashing liquid, or even BLEACH=PH 14.0 if you get some on your skin!!!!

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                            • #15
                              PH is something that should also be considered when buying buffing compounds. Buffing compounds that are not PH balanced will need a lot of maintenance to hold the shine. English Custom Polish for example, and I'm sure there are others, contains no ammonia and is PH balanced so all the hard work that goes into the buffing job will last a long time.
                              Rob
                              KEEP THE RUBBER SIDE DOWN

                              1978 XS1100E Modified
                              1978 XS500E
                              1979 XS1100F Restored
                              1980 XS1100 SG
                              1981 Suzuki GS1100
                              1983 Suzuki GS750S Katana
                              1983 Honda CB900 Custom

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