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    Alright, spent the past week taking all bits and pieces off of the bike so I can put it back together.

    I've also spent some quality time looking at pictures of how these bikes look in their prime, and, let me tell you, I'm having a hard time imagining that mine will ever look like that.

    What I have done so far is use more wd-40 and liquid wrench than I ever have in my life. I haven't tried to clean anything yet, just get it off the bike without breaking anything. So far so good, even though pretty much every bolt, screw, etc was rusted and frozen solid.

    What I've also realized is that I'm not going to be able to clean everything, so I'm currently planning on painting most, if not all uncleanable parts black after a good amount of scrubbing. The other option would be to buy used parts to replace what's rusted, but that'd be pretty much every part on the bike.

    ...and now for some pictures. This is only a small sampling.
    If you're at all interested in all 182 of them, have a look here:
    http://parrot820.smugmug.com/Motorcy...XS11-Tear-Down

    Here's what I started with:


    Tank off:


    I think I've displaced and cleared out enough spiders that I feel I've destroyed a wildlife habitat:


    The airbox is off:


    How could this ever have been a shiny new engine:


    I'm new to this, so please forgive the ignorant question, but does this look bad, or is it just me?


    Hey, what's in that funky looking bag?


    Ah ha:


    Carbs off:


    Most everything off:



    I just can't get over how this engine looks, especially up front:


    Not so bad from this angle, though:


    The worst of the rust seems to be the swing arm, which looks to be removable from frame:




    I'm hoping the frame is solid. Most of the rust on the frame seems to be surface rust.

    Next steps are to roll her outside and give what's left a good scrubbing.
    After that, I plan on taking the engine out of the frame and cleaning/repainting the frame.

    That is one big 'ole engine in there. What's the preferred method to get that monster out of the frame? I knew I should have gotten a 350 instead.

    I'm still reading up on what to do after that, but I think I'll ditch my original plan of tearing the engine completely apart. That seems overkill, especially after reading posts here about how solidly built the engine is. Instead, I think I'll just do the valves, carbs, cam chain, etc that are more "maintenance" than rebuild, replacing as many gaskets and seals along the way as I can. I'm just hoping the inside of the engine looks better than the outside.

    I just read in another post about spritzing PB Blast into the cylinders. Just to show how new I am to this...is that from the carb side or the header pipe side? Anything else I should do/look at while I've got it all torn apart? I plan on removing the front and rear end once I've cleaned up the engine and then have a look at the final drive.
    1980 XS1100G - Standard
    1998 BMW R1100GS
    2000 BMW R1200C

  • #2
    Looks like you've got yourself a winter project! I only have one suggestion - Rather than painting, look to powder-coating the frame instead. It will be a LOT more durable.
    1980 XS850SG - Sold
    1981 XS1100LH Midnight Special (Sold) - purchased 9/29/08
    Fully Vetterized and Dynojet Kit added, Heated Grips, Truck-Lite LED headlight, Accel Coils, Irridium plugs, TKAT Fork Brace, XS850LH Final Drive & Black SS Brake lines from Chacal.
    Here's my web page devoted to my bike! XS/XJ User's Manuals there, and the XJ1100 Service Manual and both XS1100 Service manuals (free download!).

    Whether you think you can, or you think you cannot - You're right.
    -H. Ford

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    • #3
      Powder coating is good, but it is rather expensive. Locally, prices to have a bike frame done are in the $250-400 range. If you take in additional parts, you can easily end up with a $5-600 bill. If you know anybody who does PCing, buddy up....

      You do have a project, but I've seen worse brought back to life.

      '78E original owner
      Fast, Cheap, Reliable... Pick any two

      '78E original owner - resto project
      '78E ???? owner - Modder project FJ forks, 4-piston calipers F/R, 160/80-16 rear tire
      '82 XJ rebuild project
      '80SG restified, red SOLD
      '79F parts...
      '81H more parts...

      Other current bikes:
      '93 XL1200 Anniversary Sportster 85RWHP
      '86 XL883/1200 Chopper
      '82 XL1000 w/1450cc Buell, Baker 6-speed, in-progress project
      Cage: '13 Mustang GT/CS with a few 'custom' touches
      Yep, can't leave nuthin' alone...

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      • #4
        MemmReees From the Corner of my Mind....

        Now that's a place I've been before with my first XS1100! The bike sat out in the PNW (San Juan Island...) for 4 years before I got to it. Take what you've got there and add saltwater corrosion on all the aluminum: Voila!!

        Good news is that although I would have bet dollars to doughnuts that the bike was unrecoverable, the machine proved me wrong. I wasn't going for a restoration to former glory but rather something I could jaunt around on and play "dodge the deer" where I lived.

        I went through it like you are doing and did the cleaning/painting. (No powdercoating on "the island...") In the end it was mechanically good but still had that look of "why oh why didn't they ever rinse the salt off???"

        Finally took it for a test ride and absolutely hated the way it handled. (Had a Windjammer Fairing...) I put less than 200 miles on it before I couldn't take it any more and put the for sale sign on it. (I saw it for sale for $1600 the following spring.)

        It was a long process with it's challenges but even today I consider it something that was worth doing. Even "fun" in an oddly satisfying way.

        I would have cautioned you not to go in so deep that the bike is unrideable but I saw that you have other bikes to play with on those sunny days.

        Best of Fortune to you!

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        • #5
          Wherever your bike was sitting it sure wasn't sitting the sun! That gage cluster looks as though it was inside it's whole life.
          You are going to do fine. It is amazing what some WD-40 and some #0000 steel wool will do to a rusty part.
          RIP Whiskers (Shop Boss) 25+yrs

          "It doesn't hurt until you find out no one is looking"

          Everything on hold...

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          • #6
            If the engine is locked up shoot the PB Blaster down the spark plug holes. If you are going to pull the head to do the valves its academic as you will have a better view when you get that far down. Randy's swamp thing looked that bad or worse and now its pristine so there is hope. Good luck and have fun.
            wingnut
            81 SH (Daily Ride)
            81 650XJ (Brother in laws bike, Delivered)
            81 650XJ Jane Doe (Son's Ride)
            82 750XJ Project bike (Son in law's future ride)
            81 XS 400

            No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another; and this is all from which the laws ought to restrain him.”

            A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have.

            Thomas Jefferson

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            • #7
              You may want to pay particular attention to that right side swing arm weld.
              Looks a little dicey.

              XS1100SF
              XS1100F

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              • #8
                How far do you want to go?

                From what I see, your bike is very restorable. It really depends on how far you want to go e.g "pristine or just a rider". There are lots of parts available on ebay and from Andreas Weiss so it should not be a problem getting replacement parts for the unprepairable stuff. I did notice you have a mixture of parts like the handle bars and the speedometer. Looks like bars are from a Special and the Speedo is from a Standard. I am building one right now that is probably worse than yours and I am going for the psristine look. Let me know if I can help and have fun!!
                Dale
                78 XS1100E Standard
                Coca Cola Red
                Hooker Headers

                http://i408.photobucket.com/albums/p...m/DSC00580.jpg

                1979 XS1100 Special
                http://i408.photobucket.com/albums/p...m/DSC00612.jpg

                1980 XS Standard
                http://i408.photobucket.com/albums/p...m/DSC01137.jpg

                2006 Roadstar Warrior
                http://i408.photobucket.com/albums/p...um/warrior.jpg

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                • #9
                  Well.. err.. umm.. .The pic of the wires.. THEY didn't look rusty! lol. And hey, from the pic, your castle nut on your right shock looked good!

                  I'm with Dan.. in that pic, there did look to be a crack in that swingarm weld. You also need to pay close attention to the bottom of the frame. Run your hand under the bottom side of the frame under where the motor sits. This is where the holes will normally rust through first.

                  On a big project like this, it may be beneficial to buy a cheap powdercoating system from Harbor freight. For the frame, you'll have to find or build a box big enough to put it in, then find an old junk oven. You can either tear the heating element out of it, or build the box on the front of the oven to where you can just open/take off the door. It's possible to do it a lot cheaper.. but it would take time and space to do so. That being said... a good powder coat is WAY better.. but a good paint job should last a couple years or longer and would be MUCH cheaper.

                  Just a thought.

                  Tod
                  Try your hardest to be the kind of person your dog thinks you are.

                  You can live to be 100, as long as you give up everything that would make you want to live to be 100!

                  Current bikes:
                  '06 Suzuki DR650
                  *'82 XJ1100 with the 1179 kit. "Mad Maxim"
                  '82 XJ1100 Completely stock fixer-upper
                  '82 XJ1100 Bagger fixer-upper
                  '82 XJ1100 Motor/frame and lots of boxes of parts
                  '82 XJ1100 Parts bike
                  '81 XS1100 Special
                  '81 YZ250
                  '80 XS850 Special
                  '80 XR100
                  *Crashed/Totalled, still own

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                  • #10
                    Andreas should be bookmarked on you're browser,lol

                    You have lots of work to do.But like was mentioned Andreas is only like 150 miles from you and I bet he has lots of the stuff you will need.
                    It almost looks like someone rode it through the Puget Sound.lol
                    You have a few members on that side of the state over there too,so you may find some riding buddies too.
                    I do envy that you get to ride a longer part of the year over there.
                    Have fun.
                    Rick
                    80 SG XS1100
                    14 Victory Cross Country

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                    • #11
                      Before the days of powdercoating, they used to use hammertoning. Get some black hammertone and do your frame with that. If you dont like the hammertone look, you can always spray over the hammertone, but at least you will have a proper and durable undercoat. Would recommend rust treating the frame while you have everything out. Not saying you where planning to, but met several people that think by painting over the rust, takes it away.

                      It's a nice project you have there.
                      '79 XS1100 (2H9) named Bones
                      1196 Big Bore
                      4-1 Cowley exhaust
                      750FD Conversion
                      Echlin 54mm Racing Cones (Americanese = pods)
                      Black Ebony Bottled glazed Tank (To be redone now)
                      BMX footpegs
                      Tank internally lined (Professionally this time)
                      GSX400 Throttle bodies (Under serious investigation)
                      Anti Sticky float bowl system

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by oseaghdha View Post
                        You may want to pay particular attention to that right side swing arm weld.
                        Looks a little dicey.

                        Yeah, definitely will. As soon as I get the engine out and the rear wheel off I'm going to try to disconnect the swing arm and take a real good look at it.
                        That might be one of the first semi-major parts I have to replace.

                        I'm assuming that's easier/safer than getting it welded?

                        Patrick
                        1980 XS1100G - Standard
                        1998 BMW R1100GS
                        2000 BMW R1200C

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by foreda View Post
                          From what I see, your bike is very restorable. It really depends on how far you want to go e.g "pristine or just a rider". There are lots of parts available on ebay and from Andreas Weiss so it should not be a problem getting replacement parts for the unprepairable stuff. I did notice you have a mixture of parts like the handle bars and the speedometer. Looks like bars are from a Special and the Speedo is from a Standard. I am building one right now that is probably worse than yours and I am going for the psristine look. Let me know if I can help and have fun!!
                          Dale
                          Good eye! I'm still trying to understand the differences between the "Special" and "Standard" versions. Seems the main difference is round vs square?

                          I've been watching auctions on ebay and was wondering if most and/or all "special" parts are also compatible with the standards? I'd hate to find and buy a really cool whatever and find out it doesn't fit. In fact, how compatible are the various years? Should I limit myself to '80 parts only?

                          While I'm at it...I really don't like that honkin' big tail light and longer rear fender on mine. I do like the shorter version with the color-matched seat pan that's on the '78E shown here:
                          http://www.xs11.com/xs11-info/ads-br...-standard.html

                          How would I go about finding one of those (what "wording" do I need to use when searching) and does it fit on mine?

                          I also like the shorter handlebars on that one better than the ape hangers on mine, so those will need to be acquired at some point.

                          I rinsed the bike twice today with some "engine brite" and it looks a bit better. At least most of the cob webs are gone.

                          Next up: Unbolt the engine from the frame and pull it out. I am sooo looking forward to that.

                          Patrick
                          1980 XS1100G - Standard
                          1998 BMW R1100GS
                          2000 BMW R1200C

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by parrot820 View Post
                            ...That might be one of the first semi-major parts I have to replace.
                            I'm assuming that's easier/safer than getting it welded?

                            Patrick
                            That's just the gusset; no reason why you couldn't clean off the rust and reweld that as long as that's the only defect.

                            No welder? I'm about an hour and and half south of you, so if you want, PM me....

                            '78E original owner
                            Fast, Cheap, Reliable... Pick any two

                            '78E original owner - resto project
                            '78E ???? owner - Modder project FJ forks, 4-piston calipers F/R, 160/80-16 rear tire
                            '82 XJ rebuild project
                            '80SG restified, red SOLD
                            '79F parts...
                            '81H more parts...

                            Other current bikes:
                            '93 XL1200 Anniversary Sportster 85RWHP
                            '86 XL883/1200 Chopper
                            '82 XL1000 w/1450cc Buell, Baker 6-speed, in-progress project
                            Cage: '13 Mustang GT/CS with a few 'custom' touches
                            Yep, can't leave nuthin' alone...

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                            • #15
                              You might check with Andreas first and see how much for a decent one through him. That isn't an item called for very much, so it shouldn't be that expensive.

                              I wouldn't call that arm just a gusset. I'ts not there just to add strength.. it IS the strength of your whole right rear riding on that weld... especially side to side movement prevention. Also, welding may warp that arm and alignment is critical. Plus... I'm betting his (Andreas) won't be nearly as orange colored.. lol.

                              Just my 2 cents...

                              Tod
                              Try your hardest to be the kind of person your dog thinks you are.

                              You can live to be 100, as long as you give up everything that would make you want to live to be 100!

                              Current bikes:
                              '06 Suzuki DR650
                              *'82 XJ1100 with the 1179 kit. "Mad Maxim"
                              '82 XJ1100 Completely stock fixer-upper
                              '82 XJ1100 Bagger fixer-upper
                              '82 XJ1100 Motor/frame and lots of boxes of parts
                              '82 XJ1100 Parts bike
                              '81 XS1100 Special
                              '81 YZ250
                              '80 XS850 Special
                              '80 XR100
                              *Crashed/Totalled, still own

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