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    I had developed a weird vibration on my bike. It would only do it while giving it some gas and would do it in every gear. If just cruising on flat ground without giving any more gas, the vibration would go away. It's only been doing this for about 30 miles or so, but it has gotten progressively worse quickly. I decided it wasn't in the engine,(I hoped... after all the crank bearing problems I've had in the past) but somewhere in the drive, so I planned on changing out the middle drive and U-joint. The middle drive oil smelled a bit burnt, but not bad. If this didn't fix it, I was going to swap out the final drive.

    I removed the U-joint bolts, took the rear wheel off, and dropped out the entire swingarm. After checking the U-joint, it was obvious that it was the problem. It pivoted one way easily, but the other way it felt like the needle bearings were rectangle.

    I took apart the U-joint and found the first yoke still greased nicely and in good shape. The 2nd yoke... not so good. This is the entire contents of one of the neddle bearing cups.





    The material had gotten hot enough that it melted some of it into a pool of metal at the bottom.





    On the other side of this end, the cap was very rusty and void of any grease, but all the needle bearings were still there. Although they were there, the lack of grease allowed them to deeply notch the shaft of the U-joint.





    These two pics are from the worst side...








    In this last picture, you can see the end of the U-joint shaft. Some U-joints are hollow and you can grease all four sides with one grease zert. These aren't hollow though. What you could do if interested when you had it down that far is to take it apart periodically and grease it, though I recommend being careful. Two of the retainer clips shot off into nothingness in my garage when they came off. Another option... is to leave the U-joint in tact, drill the center of each cap and install a grease zert. This would keep the balance right also under high rpm. When you applied grease to the zert, it would fill that hollow point in the U-joint shaft, then squirt out of the slots you see on each side at the top into the bearing cups.

    OR... you could simply leave it alone.. lol. I am the only one I ever heard of having a problem with this. I have been riding with a new U-joint boot in place (Yes drain hole at the bottom) for @ 2 years, so it's not like it was getting washed out in the rain all the time. It just seems weird to me that the thing only seemed to have a problen in the last few miles when it's obvious that this has been a problem for a long time.

    So, just for your info. Not trying to be a scare tactic, but it just makes me wonder about all the people that come on here and talk of weird vibrations..


    Tod
    Try your hardest to be the kind of person your dog thinks you are.

    You can live to be 100, as long as you give up everything that would make you want to live to be 100!

    Current bikes:
    '06 Suzuki DR650
    *'82 XJ1100 with the 1179 kit. "Mad Maxim"
    '82 XJ1100 Completely stock fixer-upper
    '82 XJ1100 Bagger fixer-upper
    '82 XJ1100 Motor/frame and lots of boxes of parts
    '82 XJ1100 Parts bike
    '81 XS1100 Special
    '81 YZ250
    '80 XS850 Special
    '80 XR100
    *Crashed/Totalled, still own

  • #2
    It just seems weird to me that the thing only seemed to have a problen in the last few miles when it's obvious that this has been a problem for a long time.
    My experience with u-joints in general, is that they don't give you much warning before they fail. Looks like you caught that one just in time. Years ago I had a Bonneville wagon that I used to make computer deliveries. On my way downtown one fine afternoon, the car started shaking like it was going to come apart. I had the ashtray full to the top, and when the vibration started I had cigarette butts jumping all over the car. I managed to get it back into the ComputerLand parking lot, but that evening when I put it in reverse the drive shaft fell out into the parking lot. I'm just glad it didn't do that while I was rolling down the road. Glad yours held together too. <end of amusing anecdote>
    I think I have a loose screw behind the handlebars.

    '79 XS11 Standard, Jardine 4/1, Dyna DC1-1 Coils, 145 mains, 45 pilots, plastic floats - 25.7mm, XV920 fuel valves, inline fuel filters, speed bleeders, Mikes XS pods, spade-type fuse block, fork brace, progressive fork springs/shocks, manual petcocks, 750 FD, Venture cam chain tensioner, SS brake lines

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    • #3
      TRBig - Doctor DeStructo in the XS11 Society. We owe you a debt of gratitude for your painstaking research into the question, "Will this break?"
      1980 XS 11 Special: The King of Kong, 9th wonder of the world. Pacifico fairing, chopped shield, Yamaha hard bags, Diamond seat, T-Kat fork brace, XJ top end, YICS Eliminator, '80 carbs from Spyder Cycle Works, K&N Air filter, Fuse block, stainless steel valves & reg/rect from Oregon MC Parts. Raptor CCT, XJ air shocks, 850 FD, Sportster mufflers, Standard handle bar, Tusk Bar Risers, SS braided brake lines. Cat Eye speedometer. HID projector beam headlight, LED running lights.

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      • #4
        Well, that certainly sucks, Tod! Sorry to hear that happened to ya.

        Good thing it didn't drop out @ highway speed...

        Have you got another joint or know a source?
        '82 XJ1100J Maxim (has been sold.)

        '79 F "Time Machine"... oh yeah, Baby.... (Sold back to Maximan)

        2011 Kaw Concours 14 ABS

        In the warden's words from Cool Hand Luke;
        "What we have here is a failure to communicate."

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        • #5
          That would account for the little bit of wear on the spacer.

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          • #6
            Have you got another joint or know a source?

            Naw, gave that stuff up long ago due to drug tests at work, even though I never inhaled.


            Got lots of spare parts, thanks.


            Tod
            Try your hardest to be the kind of person your dog thinks you are.

            You can live to be 100, as long as you give up everything that would make you want to live to be 100!

            Current bikes:
            '06 Suzuki DR650
            *'82 XJ1100 with the 1179 kit. "Mad Maxim"
            '82 XJ1100 Completely stock fixer-upper
            '82 XJ1100 Bagger fixer-upper
            '82 XJ1100 Motor/frame and lots of boxes of parts
            '82 XJ1100 Parts bike
            '81 XS1100 Special
            '81 YZ250
            '80 XS850 Special
            '80 XR100
            *Crashed/Totalled, still own

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            • #7
              Originally posted by XJOK2PLAY View Post
              Have you got another joint or know a source?
              http://www.myspace.com/i_give_you_power

              1980 XS11 Special - chopped, dropped and OCTY is still installed - NOW IT'S FOR SALE! $1,800 OBO


              Famous Myspace quote:

              "Don't mess with TEXAS! It's not nice to pick on retards."

              It's funny because I am from TEXAS!

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              • #8
                Jeremy,we would like you to pee into this bottle......
                80 SG XS1100
                14 Victory Cross Country

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                • #9
                  Looks like Tod just had a manni/pedi done...
                  '81H (my first XS ) "Grey Ghost"
                  Stock Pilots/ 110 mains (to change)
                  4:1 Jardine w/ headerwrap
                  Windjammer(wiring issues)
                  SonyMarine unit for Ipod/Polk Speakers
                  New paint/brakes to come!!
                  ===============
                  '80G FrankenBike (parts bike)
                  ===============
                  '80G to fix "BlackSunshine"
                  Stock Pilots/125 mains
                  Pod filters; 4:1 Kerker??
                  SS Brake lines w/ new M/C's
                  LED Brake Lite
                  Needs paint....

                  It is better to be thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt....

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                  • #10
                    The day you see these digits under scrutiny of a masked oriental person under a magnifying glass... is the day my manhood was removed... and a day a masked oriental person would say, "Screw this.. I quit!"

                    Besides.. just walking past those places in Walmart or the mall... that smell makes me gag! lol.


                    Tod
                    Try your hardest to be the kind of person your dog thinks you are.

                    You can live to be 100, as long as you give up everything that would make you want to live to be 100!

                    Current bikes:
                    '06 Suzuki DR650
                    *'82 XJ1100 with the 1179 kit. "Mad Maxim"
                    '82 XJ1100 Completely stock fixer-upper
                    '82 XJ1100 Bagger fixer-upper
                    '82 XJ1100 Motor/frame and lots of boxes of parts
                    '82 XJ1100 Parts bike
                    '81 XS1100 Special
                    '81 YZ250
                    '80 XS850 Special
                    '80 XR100
                    *Crashed/Totalled, still own

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                    • #11
                      Typically, you can have a U-joint matched by dimensions. That is, if you have a decent parts guy. They just need the cup diameter, the distance across and internal or external retainers. If they ask what is from, tell them its a home brew PTO on an old Studebaker grain truck, and you had one matched up at NAPA last year, but don't remember the number. Also, the replacement U-joints are usually greasable.
                      Ich habe dich nicht gefragt.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by trbig View Post
                        Naw, gave that stuff up long ago due to drug tests at work, even though I never inhaled. Tod


                        Sounds to me like you're eligable to make a run for the White House, then...

                        Ohhh, wait - I know better than that - you're too smart to do something stupid like run for political office... especially the presidency... what was I thinking?

                        See, you shoulda kept on tokin'... then you definitely would have been eligable...
                        '82 XJ1100J Maxim (has been sold.)

                        '79 F "Time Machine"... oh yeah, Baby.... (Sold back to Maximan)

                        2011 Kaw Concours 14 ABS

                        In the warden's words from Cool Hand Luke;
                        "What we have here is a failure to communicate."

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Montreux_Blue View Post


                          Good to see it's only used for 'medicinal purposes'...
                          '82 XJ1100J Maxim (has been sold.)

                          '79 F "Time Machine"... oh yeah, Baby.... (Sold back to Maximan)

                          2011 Kaw Concours 14 ABS

                          In the warden's words from Cool Hand Luke;
                          "What we have here is a failure to communicate."

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                          • #14
                            Hey Todd
                            While you have it down, could you get me the dimensions on the joint? The type and position of retaining clips, (inside or outside) The length both ways with and without the caps, and the cap size diameter. Make sure all four are the same size, or not. Thanks. I'll research a greasable joint, and if i find one, i'll bring the part number back.
                            Bob
                            1980 XS1100LG Midnight
                            1991 Honda CBR1000F Hurricane


                            "The hand is almost valueless at one end of the arm if there be not a brain at the other"

                            Here's to a long life and a happy one.
                            A quick death and an easy one.
                            A pretty girl and an honest one.
                            A cold beer and another one!

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                            • #15
                              Well... maybe. If the trash hasn't run yet by the time I get home.


                              Tod
                              Try your hardest to be the kind of person your dog thinks you are.

                              You can live to be 100, as long as you give up everything that would make you want to live to be 100!

                              Current bikes:
                              '06 Suzuki DR650
                              *'82 XJ1100 with the 1179 kit. "Mad Maxim"
                              '82 XJ1100 Completely stock fixer-upper
                              '82 XJ1100 Bagger fixer-upper
                              '82 XJ1100 Motor/frame and lots of boxes of parts
                              '82 XJ1100 Parts bike
                              '81 XS1100 Special
                              '81 YZ250
                              '80 XS850 Special
                              '80 XR100
                              *Crashed/Totalled, still own

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