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    Sold my car thinking my bike would provide transportation till i got another one. It has been so reliable from the beginning, yet this week I have had headlamp issues, and the other day getting ready for work I go out and get on the bike try to crank it and it would not turn over...basically my carbs overflowed.

    Now the curious thing is I believe my petcock was in the off position. Perhaps it wasn't but im 65% sure it was, just didn't pay attention when I turned them down thinking that was the problem (maybe prime, but dont think so). The reason they were off was the day before I turned them off but let the bike idle while i was tracing my headlamp problem and didnt want the petcocks to leak while i messed with the gas tank. Perhaps I created a weird pressure situation since the carbs became empty???


    So i believe have on of three things possibly wrong....petcocks, octagon, or floats.

    Just want to fix it ASAP so I have some form of transportation till I get a car....
    1979 XS1100SF (4-1 Kerker, XS Pods, 145 mains, 45 pilots, drag bars, blacked out)

  • #2
    #1 thing, if your carbs flood, the float needles are not doing their job. No matter what else is turned on, those needles are supposed to stop the flow of fuel once the carbs are full.

    Did you get fuel in the airbox, or into the oil? How do you know the carbs flooded?
    1980 XS850SG - Sold
    1981 XS1100LH Midnight Special (Sold) - purchased 9/29/08
    Fully Vetterized and Dynojet Kit added, Heated Grips, Truck-Lite LED headlight, Accel Coils, Irridium plugs, TKAT Fork Brace, XS850LH Final Drive & Black SS Brake lines from Chacal.
    Here's my web page devoted to my bike! XS/XJ User's Manuals there, and the XJ1100 Service Manual and both XS1100 Service manuals (free download!).

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    • #3
      If as you said, you turned the fuel off and then let it run until the fuel was low in the float bowls, the one or more of the floats may have hung up on the inside of the float bowls when you turned the fuel back on.

      Larry
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      • #4
        When I came out in the morning it had already overflowed. I know it came through the airbox because the whole left side was covered in nasty gasoline white residue and it had been dripping out the bottom of it....I am not sure about the oil...

        Your right about the float needles, except if the float is not floating the needle cannot turn off. A few of my floats are in rough shape.

        Could someone have been messing with it and twisted the throttle repeatedly...its chained up outside and I dont live in the best of neighborhoods...

        thanks.
        1979 XS1100SF (4-1 Kerker, XS Pods, 145 mains, 45 pilots, drag bars, blacked out)

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        • #5
          So i believe have on of three things possibly wrong....petcocks, octagon, or floats.
          If the petcock was in the off position, yes, yes, and yes. If the petcock was in the prime position, then it is probably just a stuck float or 2. (most likely in my opinion.)

          Turning the throttle with the bike off should not effect the floats at all.
          Harry

          The voices in my head are giving me the silent treatment.

          '79 Standard
          '82 XJ1100
          '84 FJ1100


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          • #6
            Check Oil!!

            Be sure to check your oil. If there is gas in the oil, you want to change it before you ride it again. A tell tale sign is your oil level in the sight glass may be higher than normal.
            Last edited by foreda; 09-25-2009, 02:23 PM.
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            • #7
              Well even if the petcocks were on, then wouldnt it be a problem with the octy??

              I guess a sure fire way to check the petcocks would be to take the tank off and just turn them on and off just check the flow.

              From the comments above, it seems the floats would be the real culprit...i think I am just going to order 4 new ones and be done with it. A few were known to be rough.

              I needed to make an order from mikes xs anyways
              1979 XS1100SF (4-1 Kerker, XS Pods, 145 mains, 45 pilots, drag bars, blacked out)

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              • #8
                As bigfoot said, it's all 3 things. If the fuel gets past the leaky Petcocks, it should be stopped by the Octy. If the petcocks and the octy are leaking, then the float needles should stop the flow. If fuel keeps coming, all 3 are not doing their jobs.
                1980 XS850SG - Sold
                1981 XS1100LH Midnight Special (Sold) - purchased 9/29/08
                Fully Vetterized and Dynojet Kit added, Heated Grips, Truck-Lite LED headlight, Accel Coils, Irridium plugs, TKAT Fork Brace, XS850LH Final Drive & Black SS Brake lines from Chacal.
                Here's my web page devoted to my bike! XS/XJ User's Manuals there, and the XJ1100 Service Manual and both XS1100 Service manuals (free download!).

                Whether you think you can, or you think you cannot - You're right.
                -H. Ford

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by CA View Post
                  i think I am just going to order 4 new ones and be done with it. A few were known to be rough.

                  I needed to make an order from mikes xs anyways
                  I'm pretty sure the brass floats MikesXS sells are the wrong ones for our 78-79 carbs. Another member IIRC has tried them and said they are different and won't work. You might have to source them from somewhere else. Your floats can be submersed in near boiling water to see if they are leaking. Look for air bubbles.
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                  • #10
                    yes I had boiled them a while back. One definitely didn't work a while ago and it seems that a few were on there last leg as they had a partially collapsed side.

                    Hmm, I sure hope its not all the above. I guess I'll do some research about rebuild for the petcocks and a new octy...guess ill have to do some testing as well...any test for any octy?
                    1979 XS1100SF (4-1 Kerker, XS Pods, 145 mains, 45 pilots, drag bars, blacked out)

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                    • #11
                      If you had it on prime, instead of off, then that bypasses the octy and rules out problems with the petcock. Put some fuel in the tank, turn the petcocks to off, and see if it leaks while you are watching it. If it still leaks, then yes, you have problems with all of them. Depending on how bad they are, sometimes just taking the petcocks apart and cleaning them does the trick. The octy can be rebuilt. Don't rermember where but I got a rebuild kit a few years back, worked like a charm.
                      Harry

                      The voices in my head are giving me the silent treatment.

                      '79 Standard
                      '82 XJ1100
                      '84 FJ1100


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                      • #12
                        georgefix on ebay has the rebuild parts that fit. Most of his stuff is "buy it now" and at a resonable price. The best part, they all seem to work well.
                        Do a search on carb floats, as there are ONE type mikes sells that will work. They are the plastic type, but they do fit. I just can't remember what model they came off of....
                        Ray Matteis
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                        • #13
                          I would suggest getting the neoprene floats that come on the later bikes. You might be able to find a used set on here from someone reasonably. They don't ever tear up or leak.

                          Just a thought.

                          Oh... and... twisting the throttle with the bike off will do nothing. It takes vacuum and a draft to get fuel to flow on these carbs.


                          Tod
                          Try your hardest to be the kind of person your dog thinks you are.

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                          Current bikes:
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                          '82 XJ1100 Completely stock fixer-upper
                          '82 XJ1100 Bagger fixer-upper
                          '82 XJ1100 Motor/frame and lots of boxes of parts
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                          '81 XS1100 Special
                          '81 YZ250
                          '80 XS850 Special
                          '80 XR100
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                          • #14
                            Weird!!!

                            So I go out this morning to check the petcocks and see if they are leaking. I notice that I left the petcocks on Run; straight down. So I think to myself, well crap I must be totally outta gas because everything leaked out. But to my surprise there was plenty of gas in there. THen I began to think well if there is gas in there, then my octy has to be working or it would be empty. THe bike was dry free of gas leaks. I did the fire test to the oil and it did not lite (Im a pyro). So I started it and it fired right up. Ran it for about five minutes and no gas leaks. Ran fine. THe only thing was the gas residue was burning off so it was smoking a bit around the bottom of the engine.


                            I am so stumped. Perhaps I left it on prime unwittingly? I guess the carb floats are still suspect and will probably need to be changed?

                            But this is really good news since this is my only vehicle whatsoever and now I have a ride till I find a car.

                            Should I be worried about the carbs? I think I may go ahead and buy new floats. and change them once I get the car. Ill just leave the petcocks in OFF!

                            Now just to fix the damn headlamp! (very important, I know)
                            1979 XS1100SF (4-1 Kerker, XS Pods, 145 mains, 45 pilots, drag bars, blacked out)

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                            • #15
                              Could have also been just a random piece of debris stuck between one of the float valves and a seat.. and it passed it through.

                              But yeah, since they are guilty until proven innocent... turn the petcocks off each time.


                              Tod
                              Try your hardest to be the kind of person your dog thinks you are.

                              You can live to be 100, as long as you give up everything that would make you want to live to be 100!

                              Current bikes:
                              '06 Suzuki DR650
                              *'82 XJ1100 with the 1179 kit. "Mad Maxim"
                              '82 XJ1100 Completely stock fixer-upper
                              '82 XJ1100 Bagger fixer-upper
                              '82 XJ1100 Motor/frame and lots of boxes of parts
                              '82 XJ1100 Parts bike
                              '81 XS1100 Special
                              '81 YZ250
                              '80 XS850 Special
                              '80 XR100
                              *Crashed/Totalled, still own

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