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  • 81xsproject
    XS-XJ Super Guru
    • Nov 2004
    • 3185
    • Fortuna, CA

    #16
    I pull remove the bowls, jets and needles, caps and slides. I also put some sort of spacer in the throttle linkage to hold the butterflies open. That's it. The jets'n'such go in the chem-dip. I pull them out of the hot Simple Green solution and rinse them with distilled water. The USC process can leave the butterfly seal/shafts a little sluggish so I apply a little oil to the shafts inside the carb bore and that brings them back to super smooth operation.
    '81 XS1100 SH

    Melted to the ground during The Valley Fire

    Sep. 12th 2015

    RIP

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    • wa407mpp
      XSive Maximus
      • Jul 2007
      • 717

      #17
      Eventually they are rated by power and tank size. I think the one at the shop is 12"x12"x18" and cost around $1200.00. It was loaned to them by a local motorcycle collector, who brought it in with one of his bikes, to have the carbs cleaned, and wanted them to try out his new toy. Now the shop owner says he can't understand why he hadn't bought one before now and is now going to buy himself a bigger one for about $2500.00.
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      • Schming
        XS-XJ Guru
        • Jul 2009
        • 2070
        • Pittsburgh,PA

        #18
        What does the finish look like on the outside of the carbs when done? Is it gray, shiney or mirror. Would walnut shells in a tumbler acheive a mirror finish? I have buffed two of my carb bodies but it aint easy to get all the odd shapes and if the buffer kicks one out of my hand I'll be looking for a replacement. TIA
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        1979 XS1100SF (stock-euro mods planned)
        1984 XV700L Virago (to be hot-modded)
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        • tinman905
          XSive Maximus
          • Aug 2007
          • 946
          • Orangeville,Ontario ,Canada

          #19
          My results the carbs come out a slightly dull gray colour if you don't leave them in the cleaning solution too long after the timer has shut off then they come out a dark gray colour.

          I wouldn't use crushed walnuts to polish the carbs if anything I would soda blast or glass bleads but not sand. It is too easy to block a passage with sand or a tumbler with crush walnuts.
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          • petejw
            XS-XJ Guru
            • May 2005
            • 2269
            • sydney australia

            #20
            I thought I might be able to make my own cleaner
            by sticking a piece of wood on top of my bench grinder,
            with a smal bucket sitting on top with cleaner it, the vibration
            made the water agitate but it didnt clean the parts.
            pete


            new owner of
            08 gen2 hayabusa


            former owner
            1981 xs1100 RH (aus) (5N5)
            zrx carbs
            18mm float height
            145 main jets
            38 pilots
            slide needle shimmed .5mm washer
            fitted with v/stax and uni pod filters

            [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pA8dwxmAVA&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL[/url]

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            • Schming
              XS-XJ Guru
              • Jul 2009
              • 2070
              • Pittsburgh,PA

              #21
              Originally posted by tinman905
              My results the carbs come out a slightly dull gray colour if you don't leave them in the cleaning solution too long after the timer has shut off then they come out a dark gray colour.

              I wouldn't use crushed walnuts to polish the carbs if anything I would soda blast or glass bleads but not sand. It is too easy to block a passage with sand or a tumbler with crush walnuts.
              Thanks for the heads up on the tumbler. I'll give the soda blasting a try, as soon as I set up for it, and see how that fares.
              1980 XS1100G "Dolly G" Full Dresser (with a coat of many colors )
              1979 XS1100SF (stock-euro mods planned)
              1984 XV700L Virago (to be hot-modded)
              1983 XJ750MK Midnight Maxim (semi-restored DD)
              1977 XS650D ( patiently awaiting resto)

              Sometimes it takes a whole tank of gas before you can think straight.

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              • 81xsproject
                XS-XJ Super Guru
                • Nov 2004
                • 3185
                • Fortuna, CA

                #22
                Originally posted by petejw
                I thought I might be able to make my own cleaner
                by sticking a piece of wood on top of my bench grinder,
                with a smal bucket sitting on top with cleaner it, the vibration
                made the water agitate but it didnt clean the parts.
                Not sure if you're serious or not. USC's create a wave frequency that is so high it causes cavitation. I don't really want to try to explain the physics of cavitation, so google if interested. The long and the short is that it produces imploding bubbles that do the cleaning work. Stick your hand in the fluid of a USC and you can experience the painful force of a cavitation for you self. It feels like rapid fire needle pricks.
                '81 XS1100 SH

                Melted to the ground during The Valley Fire

                Sep. 12th 2015

                RIP

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                • mack
                  XS-XJ Guru
                  • Sep 2009
                  • 2411
                  • Ontario, Canada

                  #23
                  cleaning solution

                  So what are you guys using for cleaning solution? I just borrrowed one yesterday and want to give it a try.
                  mack
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                  • tinman905
                    XSive Maximus
                    • Aug 2007
                    • 946
                    • Orangeville,Ontario ,Canada

                    #24
                    Simply Green is the best I find and know of. I sometimes add a bit of dish detergent if there is a lot of grime . If you can't find that just be careful what you use , there are a lot of cleaning products that are not to be used on aluminum .

                    Just make sure you don't rest the part you are cleaning on the bottom or touching the sides of the unit.
                    BDF Special
                    80SG Vetter bagger 1196 Wiseco big bore kit, Mega Cycle Cams, slotted cam gears, ported and flowed head, bronze intake seats, Dyno Jet kit, Dyno coils and Mikes XS air pods, Venture cam chain adjuster,Geezer's regulator, Clutch mod, Mac 4 into 1 with custom built and tuned baffle, Oil cooler,MikesXS emulators mod.
                    Dyno tuned to 98 hp at the rear wheel.

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                    • petejw
                      XS-XJ Guru
                      • May 2005
                      • 2269
                      • sydney australia

                      #25
                      Hey 81,
                      yeah i was 2 a certain extent, didnt to physics at school
                      and wasnt really thinking of the 'ultra sonic' part of it,
                      just that the solution was being agitated and thought it better
                      than it sitting in a still solution.
                      pete


                      new owner of
                      08 gen2 hayabusa


                      former owner
                      1981 xs1100 RH (aus) (5N5)
                      zrx carbs
                      18mm float height
                      145 main jets
                      38 pilots
                      slide needle shimmed .5mm washer
                      fitted with v/stax and uni pod filters

                      [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pA8dwxmAVA&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL[/url]

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                      • 81xsproject
                        XS-XJ Super Guru
                        • Nov 2004
                        • 3185
                        • Fortuna, CA

                        #26
                        Originally posted by petejw
                        Hey 81,
                        yeah i was 2 a certain extent, didnt to physics at school
                        and wasnt really thinking of the 'ultra sonic' part of it,
                        just that the solution was being agitated and thought it better
                        than it sitting in a still solution.
                        I am sure the agitated solution would help. I have often thought of getting some of the Yamaha dip that is safe for soft parts and using it in the USC. That stuff is supposed to be the bomb by it self. Could only imagine combining forces.
                        '81 XS1100 SH

                        Melted to the ground during The Valley Fire

                        Sep. 12th 2015

                        RIP

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                        • crazy steve
                          XS-XJ Guru MODERATOR
                          • Jan 2009
                          • 7932
                          • Beautiful outer Yelm, WA

                          #27
                          Originally posted by tinman905
                          Simply Green is the best I find and know of. I sometimes add a bit of dish detergent if there is a lot of grime . If you can't find that just be careful what you use , there are a lot of cleaning products that are not to be used on aluminum.
                          I'd be careful using Simple Green. That stuff will eat aluminum if left on it too long. I was told of a case of an Air Guard unit that destroyed a helicopter by using SG to clean the interior of it; it seeped into some places and ate the airframe badly enough that it couldn't be fixed.

                          With that said, I'll admit to using it myself, but I don't leave it on long and thoroughly flush with clean water. I have seen it discolor/corrode aluminum if left on too long or not flushed off well.

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