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HANDLE BAR VIBRATION, tingle
The following is copied from another forum, as Tom (trbig) suggested. I list it as follows
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I have an XJ1100J Maxim and have done the following to the bike to lessen the vibration in the handle bars:
1. Rotated the motor mounts 180 Degrees in the front.
2. Filled the handle bar extensions with bird shot, no help, removed.
3. Replaced the upper motor mount bolt with a tempered one to take the 40 ft lb torque, PO had a mild steel all thread (3/8-NF)that stripped out.
When I get the bike running again will take to my shop and investigate using a Spectrum Analyzer to find predominate frequency and severity at 3000/3500 RPM, worst case
Have heard of other techniques to reduce the vibration but cannot find the threads, weights at ends of grips, size weight length etc.
I was thinking about a DYNAMIC ABSORBER but do not have enough info to determine the frequency, severity, angle of displacement, weight needed etc.
Would like to have the absorber inside the bar so I can use standard grips.
Any help in this endeavor from the group will be greatly appreciated
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trbig wrote
Hmmmmm......
My XJ has very little handlebar vibration. I assume you have remove the ignition switch cover (has 1100 on it in gold) and checked to see that the allen screws (item 14 on diagram) that hold the bars to the fork legs are tight? Also remove the black plugs where the round hand grips meet the square vertical risers and made sure those bolts (item 5 on diagram) were tight?
XJ handlebar assembly
I have had handlebar vibration associated with these front end problems: wheel out of balance or out of round, axle pinch bolts not tighten correctly, warped rotor. Check the front end, all nuts and bolts, to see if the vibration is originating there. The XJ isn't know for excessive bar vibration.
Dell wrote
jerry, Thanks for the reply. Yes all triple tree bolts and bar bolts were torqued to spec per the manual. I had other XJ owner feel my bars while running up and they said there is to much vibration. That led me in the direction of the mounts. When first purchased I found the engine guard was shorting out the mounts so I moved it but the High Frequency vibration continues. Drives the blood right out of my fingers over about an 2 hour ride. Some say that I should put a metal bar with "O" rings in the handles! Need size length and "O" ring size. Tire balance is very low frequency this is in the range of 3000 RPM or more. I will test when the bike is again running.
Can you move this thread to the XJ/XS discussion Forum?
Dell82
Have you tried a proper carb sync?
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Randy Rago
Could it maybe be bearings?? Either in the steering head letting it vibrate, or in the wheel bearings? Did you put it on the center stand, jack up the front, and see if there's any play up and down or side to side?
Tod
Dell wrote
Randy I have not done a proper carb sync. I have four vacuum gages but are not sure if they are calibrated the same, no way to tell unless I make a manifold and set all to same reading.
TRBIG I have not checked the triple tree bearings, but they were taken apart several months ago and found to have hardened grease in them. They were ultrasonically cleaned and packed with Royal Purple synthetic grease, torqued to spec and rotated very smoothly, no extraneous movements noted, will check again tonight.
DELL wrote
TRBig. all bearing and handle bars are at spec on torque. No movement in triple tree.
trbig wrote
Hmmm... makes me wonder if you aren't losing one cylinder. Like maybe pilot jets are fine and idles ok, but a main jet clogged? That would be tough to diagnose. Maybe a digital thermometer... ride it at the rough idle for a bit... immediately kill it and check the temp on each pipe? I don't know what else... may be better to put this in the main forum and get some ideas from peeps that are a lot smarter than me. (Doesn't take much.. .lol)
Tod
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I have an XJ1100J Maxim and have done the following to the bike to lessen the vibration in the handle bars:
1. Rotated the motor mounts 180 Degrees in the front.
2. Filled the handle bar extensions with bird shot, no help, removed.
3. Replaced the upper motor mount bolt with a tempered one to take the 40 ft lb torque, PO had a mild steel all thread (3/8-NF)that stripped out.
When I get the bike running again will take to my shop and investigate using a Spectrum Analyzer to find predominate frequency and severity at 3000/3500 RPM, worst case
Have heard of other techniques to reduce the vibration but cannot find the threads, weights at ends of grips, size weight length etc.
I was thinking about a DYNAMIC ABSORBER but do not have enough info to determine the frequency, severity, angle of displacement, weight needed etc.
Would like to have the absorber inside the bar so I can use standard grips.
Any help in this endeavor from the group will be greatly appreciated
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trbig wrote
Hmmmmm......
My XJ has very little handlebar vibration. I assume you have remove the ignition switch cover (has 1100 on it in gold) and checked to see that the allen screws (item 14 on diagram) that hold the bars to the fork legs are tight? Also remove the black plugs where the round hand grips meet the square vertical risers and made sure those bolts (item 5 on diagram) were tight?
XJ handlebar assembly
I have had handlebar vibration associated with these front end problems: wheel out of balance or out of round, axle pinch bolts not tighten correctly, warped rotor. Check the front end, all nuts and bolts, to see if the vibration is originating there. The XJ isn't know for excessive bar vibration.
Dell wrote
jerry, Thanks for the reply. Yes all triple tree bolts and bar bolts were torqued to spec per the manual. I had other XJ owner feel my bars while running up and they said there is to much vibration. That led me in the direction of the mounts. When first purchased I found the engine guard was shorting out the mounts so I moved it but the High Frequency vibration continues. Drives the blood right out of my fingers over about an 2 hour ride. Some say that I should put a metal bar with "O" rings in the handles! Need size length and "O" ring size. Tire balance is very low frequency this is in the range of 3000 RPM or more. I will test when the bike is again running.
Can you move this thread to the XJ/XS discussion Forum?
Dell82
Have you tried a proper carb sync?
__________________
Randy Rago
Could it maybe be bearings?? Either in the steering head letting it vibrate, or in the wheel bearings? Did you put it on the center stand, jack up the front, and see if there's any play up and down or side to side?
Tod
Dell wrote
Randy I have not done a proper carb sync. I have four vacuum gages but are not sure if they are calibrated the same, no way to tell unless I make a manifold and set all to same reading.
TRBIG I have not checked the triple tree bearings, but they were taken apart several months ago and found to have hardened grease in them. They were ultrasonically cleaned and packed with Royal Purple synthetic grease, torqued to spec and rotated very smoothly, no extraneous movements noted, will check again tonight.
DELL wrote
TRBig. all bearing and handle bars are at spec on torque. No movement in triple tree.
trbig wrote
Hmmm... makes me wonder if you aren't losing one cylinder. Like maybe pilot jets are fine and idles ok, but a main jet clogged? That would be tough to diagnose. Maybe a digital thermometer... ride it at the rough idle for a bit... immediately kill it and check the temp on each pipe? I don't know what else... may be better to put this in the main forum and get some ideas from peeps that are a lot smarter than me. (Doesn't take much.. .lol)
Tod
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