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  • Douglas Money
    Truly XSive
    • Jun 2006
    • 179
    • Braidwood IL

    #1

    Quick question about vacuum advance

    Is there a restrictor that keeps the vacuum advance from bouncing at idle?
    1979 XS1100F (runnin the wheels off it)
    1979 XS650 (ran the wheels off it)
    1976 CB550F (ran the wheels off it)
  • TopCatGr58
    Administrator
    • Jul 2002
    • 12650
    • Portsmouth, Va.

    #2
    Sort of,

    It's the smaller sized metal tube on the #2 carb body that provides that restriction. You do have the hose connected to that, and NOT to the synch port on the #2 Intake Boot??

    If it's properly attached to the #2 carb body, then there may be something wrong with your vacuum module, but sounds more like you've got it on the wrong vacuum port!?
    T.C.
    T. C. Gresham
    81SH "Godzilla" . . .1179cc super-rat.
    79SF "The Teacher" . . .basket case!
    History shows again and again,
    How nature points out the folly of men!

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    • Douglas Money
      Truly XSive
      • Jun 2006
      • 179
      • Braidwood IL

      #3
      I checked it before and its on the right port, but you can hear it bounce at idle. It runs fine, just noisy at idle. Causes no problems, I was just checking. I am reinstalling the carbs today. Hopefully!
      1979 XS1100F (runnin the wheels off it)
      1979 XS650 (ran the wheels off it)
      1976 CB550F (ran the wheels off it)

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      • John
        XS-XJ Super Guru
        • Oct 2003
        • 5117

        #4
        The bouncing could be a weak spring in the vacuum pot assembly. The vacuum may be able to overcome the spring tension easily, and cause the rattle.
        Last edited by John; 03-31-2007, 03:56 PM.

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        • 80mdnt11
          XStremely XSive
          • Mar 2006
          • 221
          • S.E. IL./ Olney

          #5
          dreded left side noise

          Doug, I too have the same issue. Think it may be deeper in my case, as in primary drive chain, hope not but???????? Have checked timing & vac. advance on revs with timing light. All good, look over seems OK. Haven't went any deeper as she runs fine, may later on. More of a nuisance than anything else as these bikes are prone to this. (vac. adv. noise) Although a little investigation isn't always such a bad thing? Good luck & post if you go further.
          "Elvira"
          '80 XS1100LG

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          • Douglas Money
            Truly XSive
            • Jun 2006
            • 179
            • Braidwood IL

            #6
            Yes, I just checked the hose one more time and it is connected to the correct port. There is no orifice in the metal tube. Maybe the problem. I have had the cover off and seen the vacuum adv pulsate at idle. Thanks.
            1979 XS1100F (runnin the wheels off it)
            1979 XS650 (ran the wheels off it)
            1976 CB550F (ran the wheels off it)

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            • John
              XS-XJ Super Guru
              • Oct 2003
              • 5117

              #7
              There won't be an orifice in the tube. It is actually a small hole drilled into the carb body, that the tube connects to. Could it be that a PO had opened the hole up for some reason?

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              • Douglas Money
                Truly XSive
                • Jun 2006
                • 179
                • Braidwood IL

                #8
                Never can tell what this PO did. I can look right through the tube. It is basically just a nipple now.
                1979 XS1100F (runnin the wheels off it)
                1979 XS650 (ran the wheels off it)
                1976 CB550F (ran the wheels off it)

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                • John
                  XS-XJ Super Guru
                  • Oct 2003
                  • 5117

                  #9
                  There is your problem. Is there any way you can make the hole smaller? I have a junk #2 carb...I'll go look at it and see how big/small it should be.

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                  • John
                    XS-XJ Super Guru
                    • Oct 2003
                    • 5117

                    #10
                    The smallest drill I have is a #60, which is .040 inch, and that is too big. You will need to find some way to restrict the orifice for the vac advance tube. You may be able to fill the tube with some JB Weld, or similiar substance, and before it sets up, poke a hole through it with a single strand of copper wire from a small gauge wire, like a 18 or 20 gauge. If the hole that is in the carb body seems as big as the nipple itself, then that is your problem.

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                    • Ken Talbot
                      XS-XJ Super Guru
                      • Jun 2002
                      • 4251
                      • Revelstoke, BC

                      #11
                      Like the restrictor in the tubes of a set of mercury sticks, you could stuff a small plug into the hose, with a small hole drilled through the plug to give you the dampened vacuum signal you are looking for.
                      Ken Talbot

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                      • Douglas Money
                        Truly XSive
                        • Jun 2006
                        • 179
                        • Braidwood IL

                        #12
                        Thanks, I will try that out.
                        1979 XS1100F (runnin the wheels off it)
                        1979 XS650 (ran the wheels off it)
                        1976 CB550F (ran the wheels off it)

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                        • 80mdnt11
                          XStremely XSive
                          • Mar 2006
                          • 221
                          • S.E. IL./ Olney

                          #13
                          wooooooops!

                          Sounds like Yours is/was a pulsating issue! John, Ken & TC have pointed you in the right direction. Aren't these Gurus great!
                          Get it fixed and come to Moonshine, IL. for a burger @ the 14th!
                          Not to take anything away from you John, but I like Ken's idea. Small plastic rod/ like dowl rod should do the trick.
                          "Elvira"
                          '80 XS1100LG

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                          • Ken Talbot
                            XS-XJ Super Guru
                            • Jun 2002
                            • 4251
                            • Revelstoke, BC

                            #14
                            I just fished a piece of 0.021" stainless steel wire through the orifice on a #2 carb. That is equivalent to a #75 numbered drill.
                            Ken Talbot

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                            • Douglas Money
                              Truly XSive
                              • Jun 2006
                              • 179
                              • Braidwood IL

                              #15
                              Thanks guys. Where is Moonshine, IL?
                              1979 XS1100F (runnin the wheels off it)
                              1979 XS650 (ran the wheels off it)
                              1976 CB550F (ran the wheels off it)

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