can the neutral switch itself leak?

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  • mason79
    XS-XJ Guru
    • Mar 2006
    • 1351
    • los angeles, ca

    #1

    can the neutral switch itself leak?

    i change the copper crush washer and the switch still leaks, does the oil run through the center, anyone had this experience? thanks
    "a good man knows his limitations" dirty harry
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  • Geezer
    XS-XJ Guru
    • May 2003
    • 2985
    • Willamina, Oregon 97229

    #2
    Not on an XS11 but I've seen it on other bikes. The plastic around the brass center post breaks down and then the switch oozes oil.

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    • mason79
      XS-XJ Guru
      • Mar 2006
      • 1351
      • los angeles, ca

      #3
      i did it now...

      neutral switch was leaking, i put in a new washer a month ago, i look closely today at the bottom to source the leak it was still the switch washer, i try to thighten it and it snapped off...

      i removed the(shifter cover..again) to see if i can remove it from the top, but no....

      help please
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      • DiverRay
        Moderator
        • Nov 2004
        • 7603
        • Star, IDAHO

        #4
        I think an easy out is what you need now. The problem is the switch is close to the frame.You may want to try and warm things up with a heat gun, then shoot some "freeze spray" on whats left of the switch. It should then come out easily.
        Freeze spray can be had from Fry's Electronics, Radio Shack, or any good electronics store.
        Ray
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        • mason79
          XS-XJ Guru
          • Mar 2006
          • 1351
          • los angeles, ca

          #5
          i don't have a heat glun and is the freezing important?
          "a good man knows his limitations" dirty harry
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          • DiverRay
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            • Nov 2004
            • 7603
            • Star, IDAHO

            #6
            The freezing will shrink the steel threaded part still in the engine. It should make it easier to take out.
            Ray
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            • John
              XS-XJ Super Guru
              • Oct 2003
              • 5117

              #7
              You can use a propane torch on the engine case around the broken switch, and the freeze spray will contract the switch while the engine case stays expanded.

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              • mason79
                XS-XJ Guru
                • Mar 2006
                • 1351
                • los angeles, ca

                #8
                Originally posted by DiverRay
                The freezing will shrink the steel threaded part still in the engine. It should make it easier to take out.
                Ray
                thanks again diverray, took the extractor tap it lighty to seat, used the smallest wrench and it just turned out, matter of fact i didn't think it bit into the metal it was turning so easyly

                while i was under there, i chewed up the filter bolt some more with a vise grip, good thing the 11mm socket could and was hammered on and off it came,

                the leak bothered me and when fixed will try to make it to solvang!

                the crush washer looked as though it seated well on the engine side and an hex impression looked good on the switch side,

                1/ how can i ensure the unit won't leak again? the machine surface of crankcase looks smooth as well, what gives?

                thanks again for the help!
                "a good man knows his limitations" dirty harry
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                • mason79
                  XS-XJ Guru
                  • Mar 2006
                  • 1351
                  • los angeles, ca

                  #9
                  when i took the shifter cover off this time the shifter shaft sprung out and the spring and bushing with it, and i don't see a good picture in my clymer, does anyone knows how the spring in oriented? any pictures thank you...
                  "a good man knows his limitations" dirty harry
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                  • Ken Talbot
                    XS-XJ Super Guru
                    • Jun 2002
                    • 4251
                    • Revelstoke, BC

                    #10
                    Check out this thread
                    Ken Talbot

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                    • mason79
                      XS-XJ Guru
                      • Mar 2006
                      • 1351
                      • los angeles, ca

                      #11
                      thanks ken,

                      can i used motor or vegetable instead of pam which is vegetable oil, on the gasket to seal and prevent ripping on disassemble?

                      it went in dry the last time, and it ripped...
                      "a good man knows his limitations" dirty harry
                      History
                      85 Yamaha FJ 1100
                      79 yamaha xs1100f
                      03 honda cbr 600 f4
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                      84 yamaha fj 1100
                      82 yamaha seca 750
                      87 yamaha fazer
                      86 yamaha maxim x
                      82 yamaha vision
                      78 yamaha rd 400

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                      • Ken Talbot
                        XS-XJ Super Guru
                        • Jun 2002
                        • 4251
                        • Revelstoke, BC

                        #12
                        I would think any kind of oil should do the trick.
                        Ken Talbot

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                        • mason79
                          XS-XJ Guru
                          • Mar 2006
                          • 1351
                          • los angeles, ca

                          #13
                          okay i'll pick up some parts tommarrow, but waiting for the filter bolt and housing from andreas, anyhow,

                          yeah i've read, but need confirmation,

                          can i use teflon tape along with the crush washer for the neutral switch to prevent it from leaking?

                          will it hold up to the heat?

                          and isn't it just plastic or is that what teflon really looks like from dupont?

                          thank you
                          "a good man knows his limitations" dirty harry
                          History
                          85 Yamaha FJ 1100
                          79 yamaha xs1100f
                          03 honda cbr 600 f4
                          91 yamaha fzr 600
                          84 yamaha fj 1100
                          82 yamaha seca 750
                          87 yamaha fazer
                          86 yamaha maxim x
                          82 yamaha vision
                          78 yamaha rd 400

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