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    I have been using these devices for a while now and thought I would share. The first is the Battery Minder. I buy mine from Northern Tools because we have one close by. They can be sourced from other locations/stores. They are fairly cheap compared to other devices available. I catch them on sale at $24.99. They normally list for $39.99. Here is a picture of the device.





    Like I said I have been using these for years now. My results have been very positive. I keep one constantly plugged in to all my equipment. I have five bikes a zero turn and my truck. I have had several batteries that are now over 5 years old and are still going strong. The battery minder not only maintains the proper charge on the battery it also goes into maintenance mode and hits the plates with a high frequency tone to keep them desulfated. If you notice from the picture, there is a temp sensor. That measures the ambient temperature of the air around the battery and adjusts the rate of charge accordingly, meaning when temperatures rise it cuts the rate of charge and when they drop it increases. I thought for a while that some of the things purported to might be false so I invested in the next item I want to talk about.

    I am a fan of Harbor Freight and buy a lot of things from them, again because of price. Most things you buy from them have to be slightly modified to make them good products and tools. I started thinking about the batteries and those chargers. Even though the batteries, like I said are still going strong I thought well how can I prove that what I thought is happening is actually occurring. I purchased this little device.




    This little test device reports the condition of the battery. The reviews on it state that some of the readings might not be as accurate as some of the more expensive testers on the market but for the purpose of letting you see the overall condition of your battery it serves it's purpose. My daily driver, a Toyota Tacoma has a battery in it that has been in there since about 2019. Getting some age on it and because I drive it almost everyday I never really constantly kept a battery minder on it. I thought perfect battery to see what the battery minder was actually doing. I waited for a 15% off coupon from HF and went and picked up the Viking 12V Digital Battery and System Tester. My first test of the battery showed that the battery state of health was at 89%, state of charge was at 88%, measured CCA was 690 (my battery is rated at 725 CCA), battery voltage was less than 13 volts and the internal R: was a bit more than 4.5. The internal R: reading is showing you the resistance of the battery which is indicating how much sulphation you have on the plates in the battery. Of course, a high resistance number is not good. You want to see that number in the 2 to 3 range. I hooked up the battery minder and once it reached a full charge I let it sit for a few days with the maintenance function operating. I retested my battery and all my numbers had improved. Let it go another couple of days and sure enough the battery tested even better. the charge and health both are at 100%, my CCAs are up close to 800, voltage is right at 13.2 and the resistance has dropped below 3. That was visual proof that the battery minder is doing what the product manual states it does. I don't want anyone to think I am saying go out and buy these devices, just thought it was worth a report of my findings. If you investigate on your own you may find these tools useful and might want to add them to your arsenal. The tester does a lot more then I reported, it will actually test your whole system and you can store up to 10 tests for comparison purposes.
    Last edited by cajun31; 01-18-2025, 12:05 PM.
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    Jim

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    I used to use some inexpensive trickle chargers form Harbor Fright, but I found they were boiling the electrolyte because some of them charged to a higher voltage. I tested them all and found they had a huge variation in final charging voltage.

    I replaced them all with the Battery Minders from Northern Tool. I had the same experience as Cajun. I really like them. However, I usually put them on for a day or two, then leave them off for a couple of months since I have AGM batteries with a low discharge rate. Now that I hear how effective the de-sulfidation works, maybe I should leave them on all the time.
    Last edited by Radioguylogs; 01-16-2025, 09:34 PM.
    -Mike
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    '79 XS1100SF 20k miles
    '80 XS1100SG 44k miles
    '81 XS1100H Venturer 35k miles
    '79 XS750SF 17k miles
    '85 Honda V65 Magna ~7k miles
    '84 Honda V65 Magna 48k miles (parts bike)
    '86 Yamaha VMAX 9k miles

    Previous: '68 Motoguzzi 600cc + '79 XS750SF 22k miles +'84 Honda V65

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    • #3
      I use Battery Tenders for many years and like Mike, I periodically hook them up for a day or so and then disconnect them. This seems to work the best for me. I always keep up on filling the cells with distilled water on conventional batteries.


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        I have owned Battery Tenders for years and they do not desulfate the battery. What they do is once the battery reaches full charge they go into what Deltran calls maintenance mode, which only monitors the battery to maintain a full charge. Sulphation occurs and eventually you replace the battery. My experience with Battery Tender was just be prepared to replace your battery more often than necessary. After I kept replacing batteries I started my search for something better which led me to the desulfation topic. There are many chargers on the market that do, and the prices vary. Like I said before I am only reporting my findings and I would recommend that everyone do their own research. My solution works for me and I have not had to replace any of my batteries. Two of which are now on their sixth year.
        Last edited by cajun31; 01-17-2025, 05:16 PM.
        2 - 80 LGs bought one new
        81 LH
        02 FXSTB Nighttrain
        22 FLTRK Road Glide Limited
        Jim

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        • #5
          All definitely good information! Pertaining to wet cell batteries themselves, there are only 5 manufacturers in the world. Of those 5, Interstate Batteries are still at top of list at number one wet cell battery manufacture. That is all I have used in my vehicles, riding lawn mower and motorcycles for many decades now. I get good use out of them for 12-14yrs. and none of them have ever had a charger of any type on. If water ever has to be added, I use distilled water ONLY!
          81H Venturer1100 "The Bentley" (on steroids) 97 Yamaha YZ250(age reducer) 92 Honda ST1100 "Twisty"(touring rocket) Age is relative to the number of seconds counted 'airing' out an 85ft. table-top.

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          • #6
            Had a 82 Suzuki 450t that I threw a dirt cheap wet cell battery into. The first season I ride it the battery did what it should. The second season I parked it at a trail head where it sat at least three days, upon return it was tipped over and all the electrolyte ran out. Refilled it with some water out of a plastic jug and push started the bike.

            Rode it like that for a few months and it held up just fine until the voltage regulator went and it boiled dry. Same thing, refilled it with what I had, push started it and it kept going! After being dry twice and about 20k miles on it I replaced it with an AGM, that old wet cell was still working!
            1980 XS1100G

            I identify as a man but according to the label on a package of Stauffers Baked Lasagne I'm actually a family of four!

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            • #7
              LAB3 your battery came back after water refill because the plates were never shorted. It just leaked out electrolyte. A battery is toast when it shorts one or more plates with sulfation over time. Some say you can flush the battery with a base chemical (baking soda) and refill & charge. I have tried this in the past but you can never really get those plates spotless clean. The battery needs to come apart to do that and at that point it's not worth it.


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                Originally posted by Radioguylogs View Post
                I used to use some inexpensive trickle chargers form Harbor Fright, but I found they were boiling the electrolyte because some of them charged to a higher voltage. I tested them all and found they had a huge variation in final charging voltage.

                I replaced them all with the Battery Minders from Northern Tool. I had the same experience as Cajun. I really like them. However, I usually put them on for a day or two, then leave them off for a couple of months since I have AGM batteries with a low discharge rate. Now that I hear how effective the de-sulfidation works, maybe I should leave them on all the time.
                Leaving them plugged in doesn't hurt a thing. Been doing that for quite a while now.
                2 - 80 LGs bought one new
                81 LH
                02 FXSTB Nighttrain
                22 FLTRK Road Glide Limited
                Jim

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by DEEBS11 View Post
                  LAB3 your battery came back after water refill because the plates were never shorted. It just leaked out electrolyte. A battery is toast when it shorts one or more plates with sulfation over time. Some say you can flush the battery with a base chemical (baking soda) and refill & charge. I have tried this in the past but you can never really get those plates spotless clean. The battery needs to come apart to do that and at that point it's not worth it.


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                  Good visual of what is going on inside a battery. By the way the best way to keep a battery from sulphating is to keep it fully charged. Even doing that does not totally prevent sulfation from occurring. Batteries have a life span, and that life span is based the quality of the materials used to construct the battery. From what I have read no battery charger can bring back a battery that has crystalized. Like Deebs stated and I have seen that baking soda trick on youtube, the bottom line is generally the battery is toast and it's time to replace it. The best strategy is when you purchase the battery to have a good quality low amperage trickle charger hooked up to it when the vehicle is not in use. Having one that has a desulfation mode is just added protection.
                  2 - 80 LGs bought one new
                  81 LH
                  02 FXSTB Nighttrain
                  22 FLTRK Road Glide Limited
                  Jim

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