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  • Thinking about a thumper or middle weight.

    As some of you may know, I'm grounded for a while, but it only makes me think “bikes” more.
    I've considered getting another bike for a daily ride so that I can work on fixing up my '79 Special and keep it around for rallies and special events and keep my really cool handle.

    The last time I strained my back trying to pick it up myself, my buddy Ray suggested I might consider a smaller bike, and indeed I have. I have this fantasy of going the opposite extreme and getting something like a thumper: a 500 single.

    SR5's are cool, but they are collectibles now, and not cheap or easy to find. Yamaha made a bike with a big single, something like a 600 or 650 single. The engine is still being made, I believe, but it is being used in other brand bikes. I think it may have been used in a BMW single a few years back. I've only seen one on the street once. I chased him down to ask what it was, but that was a couple of years ago and I forgot what he said it was.

    Honda made a 500 single called an “Ascot” I believe. It was air cooled, overhead cam, and had 2 exhaust valves with an exhaust pipe for each valve. It looked almost “race ready” for flat track.

    At a local classic bike show I saw a 250 flat tracker that had been made street legal. It had racing plates that very cleverly concealed a halogen headlight and turn signals. It would be so cool to have a light, nimble middleweight street tracker to buz around town and the mountains on.

    But less exotically, the bike I had before my Special was a Kawi 444 Ltd Special. It looked just like a slightly smaller 2 cylinder version of my'79. I would have been happy with it for a couple of more years, but the starter went out on it one time too many, and I was so pissed that Kawi would build a bike that small with no kick starter that I sold it for next to nothing and it was a couple of years before I got the XS11.

    So here is your quiz:
    1. Any idea what that Yamaha thumper was that I saw and when it was made?
    2. What year(s) was the Ascot made?
    3. What bikes did Honda and Yamaha build (besides the XS650, of course,) that were popular in flat track racing: (particularly 500 c.c.)
    Anybody got any middle weight suggestions?

    Special Ed
    Old bikers never die, they're just out of sight!

    My recently re-built, hopped up '79 Special caught fire and burned everything from the top of the engine up: gas tank, wiring, seat, & melted my windshield all over the front of the bike. Just bought a 1980 Special that has been non oped for 9 years. My Skoot will rise from the ashes and be re named "The Phoenix!"
    I've been riding since 1959.

  • #2
    I can't address anything of your questions except that I remember looking at on about the time I bought my Virago. That was around 82' Don't know if they were made any earlier. I really didn't start looking to buy a bigger bike till about then.

    How about the XS650? Seem to be no end of parts for them new or used. Well, almost new.

    Glad to hear your are feeling better. Deb and I think about the "down" riders here all the time.

    Rodger
    RIP Whiskers (Shop Boss) 25+yrs

    "It doesn't hurt until you find out no one is looking"

    Everything on hold...

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    • #3
      I used to have a vt500 shadow and it was dead reliable plus with the twin you get some grunt but it would top out at around 80
      91 kwaka kz1000p
      Stock


      ( Insert clever quote here )

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      • #4
        kawasaki 750 twin

        late 70's kawasaki 750 twin. nice bike, not quite a thumper but close. also had an early 80's kawasaki 750 4 cylynder which I liked more than the twin, less vibration, but both I think are nice middle weight bikes. both seem to show up on ebay quite often. good. sorry could not help with your questions except my buddy had the ascot and loved it. I think it was a mid 80's bike.
        gonzo ronzo.

        Bobbed 81 XS1100 special loud and proud

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        • #5
          The ascot was made in 82 and 83 only.

          hard to find parts for, and very pricy when you find them.
          i looked into them, they are neet bikes.

          if i ever get another thumper it will depend on money.

          if i don't have much, $800-1800 i'll get a yamaha 1978-95 xt500/xt550/xt600

          if i do have some, i'll be getting a 2007+ Husquvarna SM610 FI.

          in the end i'll be happier with the husky, but we all make due.

          Good luck on your quest.

          Webs
          1979 XS1100SF Special.78 E motor/carbs, Jardine 4-2 exhaust, XS Green coils, Corbin seat, S.S. Brake lines, Hard cases, Heated grips.

          2012 FJR1300 Gen 2. Heli bar risers, R-gaza crash bars, mccruise cruise control.

          (2)2008 WR250R. Because kids outgrew others.

          2007 Suzuki V-Strom 1000. (Just added 2024) pre-crashed.

          1975 Kawasaki S1 250. My first bike. Still have it. NO I'm not selling it!!

          Most bike problems are caused by a loose nut connecting the handlebars and the seat!!

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          • #6
            Honda also had the VT500 Ascot in 83 & 84. But with most of those bikes having a top speed of around 80-85mph, why not just get a CB250 Nighthawk? Tops out at around 75-80...dry weight of 287 pounds, and gets between 65 and 70mpg.
            http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1278/...01bfdb21_b.jpg
            1978 XS11 Standard -- For Sale or Trade
            4 into 1 (brand?)
            Special Tank (really sucks for size)
            Special Side covers
            Winjammer 5 fairing with Vetter Hard cases


            1979 XS11 Special (has a new home elsewhere)

            1982 Yamaha XV920J Virago - My new daily rider.
            National Cycle Plexi-3
            Saddleman double bucket seat
            custom paint

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            • #7
              But...isn't Betty a womans name?

              The honda VT Ascot was a V-twin. I thought you were talking about single cylinder thumpers.

              http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/mod...t500e%2083.htm

              Also was a FT Ascot thumper (one article said the FT stood for flat track)
              http://www.ask.com/wiki/Honda_FT500

              Do you mean a Honda Clubman GB500?

              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ho...man_Rechts.jpg

              A suggestion is a BMW F650 or F650GS thumper.They have them in street and dual sport versions. But they are a little costly here in the states.

              http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...f650_st_01.jpg

              http://www.bmw-dakar.co.za/images/bmw_f650gs.jpg

              It was a pretty easy bike to work on.
              Current Rides: '82 XJ w/Jardine 4-1's, GIVI flyscreen, '97 Triumph Trophy 1200
              Former Rides: '71 CB350, '78 400 Hawk, '75 CB550/4;
              while in Japan: '86 KLR250, '86 VT250Z, '86 XL600R, '82 CB450(Hawk II), '96 750 Nighthawk, '96 BMW F650

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              • #8
                Saw one of these at a dealer when I lived in Utah.


                Didn't read up much on their performance/value, but you might look into it. Certainly distinctive retro styling for a new bike. Also comes in 350.

                http://www.royalenfield.com/Motorcyc...assic-500.aspx
                1978 Yamaha XS 1100E "Monster" 2010-2012
                2004 RCM-50GL 2008-2010, Don't ask, don't tell (don't really know)

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                • #9
                  You could look at the Suzuki Savage 650. Light weight bike not too expensive.
                  Ty

                  78 XS1100E - Now in Minnesota
                  80 XS1100LG - The Punisher
                  82 XJ1100 - Current project - The Twins
                  82 XJ1100 - Wife's Bike - The Twins
                  82 XJ1100 - Daughter's Bike
                  72 Suzuki TS125 - Daughter's Bike
                  72 Yamaha Mini JT2 - Youngest Daughter's bike (She wants a bigger one now)

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Special Ed View Post
                    - - - The last time I strained my back trying to pick it up myself, my buddy Ray suggested I might consider a smaller bike, and indeed I have. I have this fantasy of going the opposite extreme and getting something like a thumper: a 500 single. - - - Special Ed
                    Hi Ed,
                    great that you are sufficiently recovered to think about buying another bike even if you are not yet fit enough to ride.
                    Soon, Eh?
                    Of all the choices offered so far, I'd go with the Enfield for nostalgia's sake. (I ran a '54 Bullet back in the day.) At just a tad over 400lbs wet weight it's a genuine middleweight. Or even lighter, the Suzuki Savage. Don't let the name or the 650cc capacity fool you. If the truth in advertising laws are ever enforced they'd have to call it "The Mild One."
                    Fred Hill, S'toon
                    XS11SG with Spirit of America sidecar
                    "The Flying Pumpkin"

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                    • #11
                      Ed, possible you saw a Yamaha SR500?

                      Richard

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                      • #12
                        suzuki s40

                        I have a suzuki s40 it is a 650cc big single dry weight is something like 324lbs. It has been a great bike and a blast to ride. i weigh 210 and with a high flow air filter I have no problem with get up and go, and i still get about 52mpg.
                        Last edited by savagejoe; 09-25-2010, 06:32 AM.

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                        • #13
                          Thumper

                          New Royal Enfields are built in India. 500cc. They come in several different styles. Worth a look IMO.
                          Otherwise a duel purpose bike like the bike single Hondas of as few years ago.
                          SL350 XR350 and then the 500cc models that may have made it to 650cc.
                          Just forget the year and model for now.
                          Any of the old British stuff would have collector value and hard to find.
                          The new RE or used Honda would be on my list.

                          Uncle crusty

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                          • #14
                            +1 on the Royal Enfield. Saw a couple at a local dealer. Here is some of their promo writing:

                            Experience one of the greatest traditions in motorcycling history in a whole new way. The Bullet G5 Classic is a completely modern, fuel-injected, low-maintenance motorcycle built in the image of the world-famous 1955 Bullet Classic.

                            Its striking one-color style and hand-painted pinstripes pop with vintage authenticity, but this is not your father's Bullet. The fully-integrated unit construction engine offers unprecendented fuel economy, higher cruising speeds, and the latest emissions stanards.
                            Link to USA site is
                            http://www.enfieldmotorcycles.com/mo...lassic-g5.html
                            Jerry Fields
                            '82 XJ 'Sojourn'
                            '06 Concours
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                            "... life is just a honky-tonk show." Cherry Poppin' Daddy Strut

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                            • #15
                              You were probably thinking about an SRX-6


                              Hailed for it's handling, but about the same price as the 600 Radian. Never sold well in N. America, but lived on for some time in other markets. Kick start only for the one year it sold over here. Based on the XT600 motor. I'd have one.

                              Anyone who only got 80 mph out of the VT500 motor probably had it stuck in overdrive 6th. I remember seeing 110mph riding two-up on a 500 Shadow.

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