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    Go to a Military Tribute ride Saturday in Austin. Sponsored by the local HD dealer so that is where we meet up. Bro-in-law riding a older HD Fatboy FXPEWQKF sumthin. We saunter toward the showroom and he spies a 2012 FLTRXSE-CVO. Fully decked. Cruise, ABS, stereo, custom paint, full bagger, chrome everything, 106ci Screaming Eagle motor (1800cc), custom exhaust, LED everything, 30k price tag. 40 minutes later its his. Do the ride, eat lunch, head home. I was suspecting he was gonna wanna do a roll on the way home or some other adolescent speed contest. He is two up with my grandson and I have the wife on the back. We get a clear spot. He looks back at me,('bout a bike and half length behind him) drops a cog and nails it. I roll the troops out on the XS, no down shift. ‘Bout a 60mph roll on. He starts to pull me. I go down one cog, catch up and blow past him. I shut down at an undisclosed triple digit figure, still in 4th with the custom painted, gleaming chrome HD growing smaller in my mirrors. I had to chuckle as my wife (his sister) was yelling “smoked ya” and waving bye-bye as we passed him. His CVO is a really impressive motorcycle but appeared no match for ancient iron. I can however, be envious of the plush accommodations his bike would provide for a really long ride and the fit and finish. Remains to be seen what will happen in a standing start drag race but I suspect the Screaming Eagle will once again get its feather plucked.
    When a 10 isn't enough, get a 11. 80g Hardbagger

  • #2
    Originally posted by webbcraft2150 View Post
    FXPEWQKF sumthin.
    LOL!!!! I have a friend with a Harley and he can't remember which FXCDFGTRE he has.
    Rob - 79 SF

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    • #3
      the CVO is a 110ci (1802cc) i had the chance to ride a road glide CVO limited at americade last week and i was dissapointed. the shaft drive on our xs11s provides direct power and forces the tire down for grip and torque, wile harley uses a belt drive system that allows it to slip.

      also rode the freewheeler and road king. lets just say im in no hurry to go out and buy a harley.
      79 XS1100SF k&n pod filters
      emgo shorty mufflers (w/o baffles)
      chopped rear
      springer seat
      led turn signels
      led brake light
      side mount verticle plate
      drag bars.

      86 Suzuki Intruder VS700
      8" biltwell chumps
      chopped rear
      nasty twins drag pipes

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      • #4
        Not to knock Harley's and their owners

        but they are the Apple of the motor cycle kingdom.

        Lots of fanboi's, overpriced with lots of flash and comfort but not a whole lot of go. I suspect if I wanted to ride on a sofa going down the road it would be on one, but that's not how I roll.
        79 SF & 80 LG MNS
        73 & 74 RD 350's
        73 Honda CL 450
        Graveyard - '81 XS850 Special

        All of my bikes are projects, maybe one day I'll have them running.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Gmac View Post
          . . . I suspect if I wanted to ride on a sofa going down the road it would be on one, but that's not how I roll.
          I'd take a Goldwing, or other Jap competitor over a Harley. I've taken test rides on quite a few, and never felt any great liking to them, including my twin's Streetrod.
          1979 XS1100F
          2H9 Mod, Truck-Lite LED Headlight, TECHNA-FIT S/S Brake Lines, Rear Air Shocks, TKAT Fork Brace, Dyna DC-I Coils, TC Fuse Block, Barnett HD Clutch Springs, Superbike Handlebars, V-Star 650 ACCT, NGK Irridium Plugs, OEM Exhaust. CNC-Cut 2nd Gear Dogs; Ported/Milled Head; Modded Airbox: 8x8 Wix Panel Filter; #137.5 Main Jet, Viper Yellow Paint, Michelin Pilot Activ F/R, Interstate AGM Battery, 14MM MC, Maier Fairing, Cree LED Fog Lights.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Gmac View Post
            . . . I suspect if I wanted to ride on a sofa going down the road it would be on one, but that's not how I roll.
            I'd take a Goldwing, or other Jap competitor over a Harley. I've taken test rides on quite a few, and never felt any great liking to them, including my twin's Streetrod.
            1979 XS1100F
            2H9 Mod, Truck-Lite LED Headlight, TECHNA-FIT S/S Brake Lines, Rear Air Shocks, TKAT Fork Brace, Dyna DC-I Coils, TC Fuse Block, Barnett HD Clutch Springs, Superbike Handlebars, V-Star 650 ACCT, NGK Irridium Plugs, OEM Exhaust. CNC-Cut 2nd Gear Dogs; Ported/Milled Head; Modded Airbox: 8x8 Wix Panel Filter; #137.5 Main Jet, Viper Yellow Paint, Michelin Pilot Activ F/R, Interstate AGM Battery, 14MM MC, Maier Fairing, Cree LED Fog Lights.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by IanDMacDonald View Post
              I'd take a Goldwing, or other Jap competitor over a Harley. I've taken test rides on quite a few, and never felt any great liking to them, including my twin's Streetrod.
              Originally posted by IanDMacDonald View Post
              I'd take a Goldwing, or other Jap competitor over a Harley. I've taken test rides on quite a few, and never felt any great liking to them, including my twin's Streetrod.
              For a Twin that dislikes twins, how come twin posts ?
              1980 XS1100G "Dolly G" Full Dresser (with a coat of many colors )
              1979 XS1100SF (stock-euro mods planned)
              1984 XV700L Virago (to be hot-modded)
              1983 XJ750MK Midnight Maxim (semi-restored DD)
              1977 XS650D ( patiently awaiting resto)

              Sometimes it takes a whole tank of gas before you can think straight.

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              • #8
                I had a buddy with a 110ci Harley all decked out with the Screaming Eagle crate motor and crud. He could get me off the line for the first couple hundred feet.. lots of torque, but after I was up in the mains, I'd still beat him. I didn't smoke him by any means.. he was right there, but I also didn't spend 30k+ on my bike. He traded it off not too long after that for an old 88ci to putt around on. With ape hangars.
                Try your hardest to be the kind of person your dog thinks you are.

                You can live to be 100, as long as you give up everything that would make you want to live to be 100!

                Current bikes:
                '06 Suzuki DR650
                *'82 XJ1100 with the 1179 kit. "Mad Maxim"
                '82 XJ1100 Completely stock fixer-upper
                '82 XJ1100 Bagger fixer-upper
                '82 XJ1100 Motor/frame and lots of boxes of parts
                '82 XJ1100 Parts bike
                '81 XS1100 Special
                '81 YZ250
                '80 XS850 Special
                '80 XR100
                *Crashed/Totalled, still own

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                • #9
                  Please explain how the shaft drive provides direct power and "forces" the tire down "for grip and torque", and the belt drive "allows it to slip".

                  Sounds like a line from a dealership they fed to someone, somewhere, and got passed on. The belt drive is a more efficient means of transferring power and about as low maintenance as a shaft as well. Tires slipping are about physics, not shaft vs belt.
                  Last edited by Bonz; 06-09-2015, 11:09 PM.
                  Howard

                  ZRX1200

                  BTW, ZRX carbs have the same spacing as the XS11... http://www.xs11.com/forum/showthread.php?t=35462

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                  • #10
                    [QUOTE=Bonz;465431]Please explain how the shaft drive provides direct power and "forces" the tire down "for grip and torque", and the belt drive "allows it to slip".

                    It all depends if you use synthetic oil or not
                    When a 10 isn't enough, get a 11. 80g Hardbagger

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by webbcraft2150 View Post
                      Originally posted by Bonz View Post
                      Please explain how the shaft drive provides direct power and "forces" the tire down "for grip and torque", and the belt drive "allows it to slip".
                      It all depends if you use synthetic oil or not
                      If you use synthetic oil you have to use synthetic rubber tires too. Synthetic rubber tires are grippier to compensate for the synthetic oil being slipperier.

                      .
                      -- Scott
                      _____

                      2004 ST1300A: No name... yet
                      1982 XJ1100J: "Baby" SS Brakes, '850 FD, ACCT
                      1980 XS1100G: "Columbo" SS Brakes, '850 FD, ACCT
                      1979 XS1100SF: "Bush" W.I.P.
                      1979 XS1100F: parts
                      2018 Heritage Softail Classic 117 FLHCS SE: "Nanuk" It's DEAD, it's not just resting. It is an EX cycle.

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                      • #12
                        Howard as I understand it, the engine turning backwards means the shaft rotation is transferred to the hub with increased force pushing the wheel down and to the right when extra throttle is applied so the harder you try to accelerate the more it "squats" instead of lifts to increase traction.

                        Personally, I have never applied enough acceleration to squat into a wheelie, but I have felt the rear try to slide out when powering out of a corner.

                        John
                        John is in an anonymous city with an Alamo (N29.519227,W-98.678980)

                        Go ahead, click on the bikes - you know you want to...the electrons are ready.
                        '81 XS1100H - "Enterprise"
                        Bob Jones Custom Navy bike: Tkat brace, EBC floating rotors & SS lines, ROX pivot risers, Geezer rectifier, new 3H3 engine

                        "Not all treasure is silver and gold"

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by jwhughes3 View Post
                          Howard as I understand it, the engine turning backwards means the shaft rotation is transferred to the hub with increased force pushing the wheel down and to the right when extra throttle is applied so the harder you try to accelerate the more it "squats" instead of lifts to increase traction.

                          Personally, I have never applied enough acceleration to squat into a wheelie, but I have felt the rear try to slide out when powering out of a corner.

                          John
                          I heard shaft drive bikes actually lift the rear when hard throttle is applied. I have progressive rear shocks so I have not experienced this (supposedly good aftermarket shocks prevents the lift).
                          Rob - 79 SF

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                          • #14
                            He's not kidding

                            John's serious, the XS11 engine rotates clockwise -- backwards -- and that helps minimize shaft 'jacking' and 'pogoing' that happens to other shaft-driven bikes.

                            .
                            -- Scott
                            _____

                            2004 ST1300A: No name... yet
                            1982 XJ1100J: "Baby" SS Brakes, '850 FD, ACCT
                            1980 XS1100G: "Columbo" SS Brakes, '850 FD, ACCT
                            1979 XS1100SF: "Bush" W.I.P.
                            1979 XS1100F: parts
                            2018 Heritage Softail Classic 117 FLHCS SE: "Nanuk" It's DEAD, it's not just resting. It is an EX cycle.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Bonz View Post
                              Please explain how the shaft drive provides direct power and "forces" the tire down "for grip and torque", and the belt drive "allows it to slip".

                              Sounds like a line from a dealership they fed to someone, somewhere, and got passed on. The belt drive is a more efficient means of transferring power and about as low maintenance as a shaft as well. Tires slipping are about physics, not shaft vs belt.
                              how is rubber better means of transferring power than solid metal??? im not talking about the tire slipping, im talking about how a belt wears faster than splined metal shaft, and the belt slips.

                              and the shaft drive doesnt lift the tire, it lift the main frame because of the torque from the shaft.
                              79 XS1100SF k&n pod filters
                              emgo shorty mufflers (w/o baffles)
                              chopped rear
                              springer seat
                              led turn signels
                              led brake light
                              side mount verticle plate
                              drag bars.

                              86 Suzuki Intruder VS700
                              8" biltwell chumps
                              chopped rear
                              nasty twins drag pipes

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