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    And I woke up on the right side of the lawn today -- yeah!

    Windows XP was getting a little too long in the tooth so I upgraded to Windows 7 64-bit on my old XP machine.

    The old machine likes it and so do I.

    The install was painless, virtually flawless, and I've spent the last month learning the new system while collecting a lot of nifty-keen new 64-bit tools and software. The machine itself tossed one BSOD at me while I was setting up the system that basically said, "No you can not use that video driver!" Oops.... <Scooby-Laugh>

    So the machine has hummed and clicked and the drive lights flashed and the cooling fans shifted on down into overdrive while the system indexed and virus-tested three drives with over four terabytes and seven-million files. While it's been busy doing all of that, I've been stress testing and generally beating the snawte out of the rest of the OS and a bunch of Alpha development snapshots for a new Chrome-based browser:-

    Vivaldi
    A Browser for Our Friends


    Vivaldi is free and it's being developed and funded by the same people that wrote and developed the Opera browser before it went down the tube. Vivaldi and the whole system are doing well so far and I've been catching up on some of the file sorting, labeling and converting that I've been putting off in one form or another for the last twenty-eight years. I built this machine back in 2005 as a mid-range home Digital A/V workstation so it's a solid bit of kit as a Brit put it. It's not surprising that it still plays and views every media and image file and format I've tossed at it without straining itself but the browser, ah, well, the browser is still in the Alpha development phase, one step removed from the third Technical Preview so it can do virtually anything from spontaneously combusting some random piece of hardware to a relatively controlled soft landing with puppies, kittens, unicorns and rainbows. When things go really, truly wrong there is still a brilliant rainbow but all of the puppies, kittens, and unicorns spontaneously combust.

    Last night it was using 1.5G of memory for three open tabs and I just shook my head, shut it down and restarted the browser. The open-source Chrome browser engine is a memory and resource pig but the Vivaldi developers have sworn they'll be able to fix it. Today it's mostly stable but sometimes I think the developers are more than a little bit like Ahab (Gregory Peck) harpooning and riding the whale.

    Vivaldi will occasionally miss/drop characters in an input box remarkably similar to the one used for Forum messages and there's one really annoying glitch I've been trying to catch that will cause the entire GUI to flash-crash and disappear in less than one shake of a lambs tail while leaving several parts of itself in memory all running around headless and totally out of control.

    Well, it doesn't look like it's going to crash this time so it's back to watching YouTube videos while I try to find, catalog, sort and index more than three gigabytes of e-mail that's been carried forward with every hardware and OS upgrade since 1987.

    D'oh! All I had to do was think about doing something else and -- BOOM! Man, it went right out from under me as I was typing but this time I have some traces and logs to work with -- Yippee ki-ay, m...!

    .
    -- Scott
    _____

    2004 ST1300A: No name... yet
    1982 XJ1100J: "Baby" SS Brakes, '850 FD, ACCT
    1980 XS1100G: "Columbo" SS Brakes, '850 FD, ACCT
    1979 XS1100SF: "Bush" W.I.P.
    1979 XS1100F: parts
    2018 Heritage Softail Classic 117 FLHCS SE: "Nanuk" It's DEAD, it's not just resting. It is an EX cycle.

  • #2
    This new laptop has Windows 8.1 and I hate it so far but, getting used to it.

    It's amazing what a person can get used to though.
    Greg

    Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”

    ― Albert Einstein

    80 SG Ol' Okie;79 engine & carbs w/pods, 45 pilots, 140 mains, Custom Mac 4 into 2 exhaust, ACCT,XS850 final drive,110/90/19 front tire,TKat fork brace, XS750 140 MPH speedometer, Vetter IV fairing, aftermarket hard bags and trunk, LG high back seat, XJ rear shocks.

    The list changes.

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    • #3
      Hey Greg- You can run Win 8.1 in Classic mode, if you prefer the Start menu, as I do.

      Scott- Win 7 is a nice OS. Much more smooth-looking versus Win XP
      1979 XS1100F
      2H9 Mod, Truck-Lite LED Headlight, TECHNA-FIT S/S Brake Lines, Rear Air Shocks, TKAT Fork Brace, Dyna DC-I Coils, TC Fuse Block, Barnett HD Clutch Springs, Superbike Handlebars, V-Star 650 ACCT, NGK Irridium Plugs, OEM Exhaust. CNC-Cut 2nd Gear Dogs; Ported/Milled Head; Modded Airbox: 8x8 Wix Panel Filter; #137.5 Main Jet, Viper Yellow Paint, Michelin Pilot Activ F/R, Interstate AGM Battery, 14MM MC, Maier Fairing, Cree LED Fog Lights.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by IanDMacDonald View Post
        Hey Greg- You can run Win 8.1 in Classic mode,
        How?
        Greg

        Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”

        ― Albert Einstein

        80 SG Ol' Okie;79 engine & carbs w/pods, 45 pilots, 140 mains, Custom Mac 4 into 2 exhaust, ACCT,XS850 final drive,110/90/19 front tire,TKat fork brace, XS750 140 MPH speedometer, Vetter IV fairing, aftermarket hard bags and trunk, LG high back seat, XJ rear shocks.

        The list changes.

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        • #5
          Try Classic Shell

          Originally posted by IanDMacDonald View Post
          Hey Greg- You can run Win 8.1 in Classic mode, if you prefer the Start menu, as I do.
          Try it:-
          Classic Shell http://www.classicshell.net/

          Have fun and make sure you back up the original settings (yes, there is a Backup button) before you change too much so you can restore everything if you don't like it or if you just twiddle one too many toggles and get lost.

          Scott- Win 7 is a nice OS. Much more smooth-looking versus Win XP
          The processor, motherboard and chipset will work with Windows 8.1 but not Windows Two and I'm not planning to upgrade to either of them. FreeBSD x86 and x64 scream on this system.

          Now that Windows Search has indexed the entire known universe and phoned home to let Redmond know where I stashed all of my XS1100 Special pictures: Windows 7 runs a little slower than XP in some parts; a lot slower in some parts but about the same or faster in other parts. Converting >100G of .shn and .wav files to .flac and a few gigabytes of video encoding to .avi and .mp4 is definitely faster in 64-bit mode but that could be because it's done using more recent software with better threading. <shrug>

          The Explorer shell with Aero looks smooth but it's too smooth and useful things 'slipped off' that should have stuck: error popups and the bazillion-and-one information/property sheets no longer allow you to highlight/copy text form them and too many single-click actions got turned into two-click actions for no apparent reason, like editing File Permissions. Fortunately, the Registry Permissions editor is till single-click like it was in XP and probably Vista too or I'd go mad.

          The really fun discovery was that selecting a folder doesn't always Select (capital ess) it, it may just put the cursor on the folder but focus stays on the previous folder. The entire view then lurches to the bottom of the window and hides the fact that "these aren't the files you're looking for...."

          It was difficult to get used to files/objects auto-arranging themselves too and there is no way to turn it off without seriously messing up the shell.


          Bummer, no browser crash this time and the logs and traces didn't show anything wrong. The system thinks that I closed the browser but left a running process for each open tab. Back to the drawing board!

          .
          -- Scott
          _____

          2004 ST1300A: No name... yet
          1982 XJ1100J: "Baby" SS Brakes, '850 FD, ACCT
          1980 XS1100G: "Columbo" SS Brakes, '850 FD, ACCT
          1979 XS1100SF: "Bush" W.I.P.
          1979 XS1100F: parts
          2018 Heritage Softail Classic 117 FLHCS SE: "Nanuk" It's DEAD, it's not just resting. It is an EX cycle.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by BA80 View Post
            How?
            If it's like Win7, right-click the Desktop and select "Personalize".
            That'll open a window with a list of all kinds of snazzy Windows Themes you can pick and one of them is "Windows Classic".

            You can also pour out a lot of the frilly foo-foo-juice by typing "view advanced system settings" into a Search box, or just press Winkey-Break to pull up the System Properties box, then click on the Advanced tab.

            However you get to the Advanced tab, open up the Performance settings picklist and there'll be a lot of things that you can turn off or will turn themselves off if you pick the Classic theme.

            .
            -- Scott
            _____

            2004 ST1300A: No name... yet
            1982 XJ1100J: "Baby" SS Brakes, '850 FD, ACCT
            1980 XS1100G: "Columbo" SS Brakes, '850 FD, ACCT
            1979 XS1100SF: "Bush" W.I.P.
            1979 XS1100F: parts
            2018 Heritage Softail Classic 117 FLHCS SE: "Nanuk" It's DEAD, it's not just resting. It is an EX cycle.

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            • #7
              I googled it and followed the instructions there. Didn't work. There was no option for "classic view" I could detect.
              Greg

              Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”

              ― Albert Einstein

              80 SG Ol' Okie;79 engine & carbs w/pods, 45 pilots, 140 mains, Custom Mac 4 into 2 exhaust, ACCT,XS850 final drive,110/90/19 front tire,TKat fork brace, XS750 140 MPH speedometer, Vetter IV fairing, aftermarket hard bags and trunk, LG high back seat, XJ rear shocks.

              The list changes.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by BA80 View Post
                I googled it and followed the instructions there. Didn't work. There was no option for "classic view" I could detect.
                That's weird. One of the big reasons everyone's been hopping all over Windows 8.1 is because Microsoft lightened up on the "You-must-use-Metro!" paradigm with the touchy-feely interface and let people get back a Start Menu and a few other things that make sense with a keyboard and mouse but no touchscreen.

                Windows Two is supposed to be even better than 8.1 but it's still in or barely out of Alpha testing.

                .
                -- Scott
                _____

                2004 ST1300A: No name... yet
                1982 XJ1100J: "Baby" SS Brakes, '850 FD, ACCT
                1980 XS1100G: "Columbo" SS Brakes, '850 FD, ACCT
                1979 XS1100SF: "Bush" W.I.P.
                1979 XS1100F: parts
                2018 Heritage Softail Classic 117 FLHCS SE: "Nanuk" It's DEAD, it's not just resting. It is an EX cycle.

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                • #9
                  Hey Scott,

                  I've got a decent 'puter that I built in 2010 that I'm still running Xp on, and I've been thinking about converting to Win7/64 also...have a very robust Gigabyte Mobo, 3.0 ghz dual core Intel Processor with 64 bit ability, have 4 GB ram now, since XP only can see ~3.2 of it, but will be able to put in more with Win7. I also have done video editting, capturing and didn't want to loose that functionality with a Win7 upgrade. I also remember reading something back when Win7 was in RC mode, that MS was supposed to make it so that IF a piece of video hardware would not comply with the DRM rules, that Win7 would allow it to run...but at reduced performance levels!?

                  And then there's also the concern about being able to get the proper Win7 drivers for my cards. I also hate having to buy a bunch of new software to replace my old versions just because they may not be compatible with Win7...
                  ie. Nero Burning Rom 7 Ultimate, my old video editting program I really am familiar with is an old ULEAD Video Studio ver 11.5 before they got bought by COREL and Corel changed it quite a bit. I also still prefer Office 2k...hate the menu layout of any later version...ie. 2003, 2010, and totally REFUSE to pay a yearly fee for their latest version....WTF!?!? I also HATE how MS created a new Office Document File Type suffix...DOCX and made it so that versions before 2003 can NOT Open them....poor backwards compatibilty.....again building in obsolescence to MAKE people have to BUY their newer versions!!

                  I had read about problems installing Office 2k on Win7, but then found out about a single little file that isn't in Win7, but IF copied from a WinXP into the Win7\System folder, then Office 2k will install just fine. I also have Open Office I can use if needed, but I'm also happy just using WordPad and even Notepad!

                  Okay, I'll shut up now....glad you're having an otherwise good install experience with Win7, I'm hoping for a similar experience.

                  Greg....that's just one of the reasons why after I saw Win 8.1 that I KNEW I would not like or want it...I don't want messy smeary fingerprints on my monitor screen.....sung to the MTV them..."I want my Start Menu" ! Sorry I can't help you with your desktop customization.

                  Scott, did you mean Win 10 not (2)?? I think they are going to skip the 9 for a series because of the previous 10 year models 95, 98, 98Se. I've heard that it's supposed to bring back more of the Start Menu format due to the negative feedback they received with 8.1!?

                  T.C.
                  T. C. Gresham
                  81SH "Godzilla" . . .1179cc super-rat.
                  79SF "The Teacher" . . .basket case!
                  History shows again and again,
                  How nature points out the folly of men!

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                  • #10
                    I forget exactly how I did the change to 8.1 and the classic mode but it should not be hard if I did it. Looks and works just like windows 7 but better. I hated it when I first got it. For instance I did not know that in order to shut windows 8 or 8.1 down completely you have to mouse over to the top or bottom right side and select settings, then select power and then select what you wish to do. What a pain in the arse.
                    2-79 XS1100 SF
                    2-78 XS1100 E Best bike Ever
                    80 XS 1100 SG Big bore kit but not fully running yet.
                    Couple of more parts bikes of which 2 more will live!

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                    • #11
                      No touch screen on this laptop TC.
                      Greg

                      Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”

                      ― Albert Einstein

                      80 SG Ol' Okie;79 engine & carbs w/pods, 45 pilots, 140 mains, Custom Mac 4 into 2 exhaust, ACCT,XS850 final drive,110/90/19 front tire,TKat fork brace, XS750 140 MPH speedometer, Vetter IV fairing, aftermarket hard bags and trunk, LG high back seat, XJ rear shocks.

                      The list changes.

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        I have a couple Win 8.1 system running, upgraded the entire organization (144 users) to Win 7 Pro over the last few years before support for XP ran out. Will just note that Win 7 64-bit really benefits from a lot of RAM, more than 8gb although I am running it on 6gb on several ToughBook CF-53 laptops and it returns a Windows Experience of around 4.6. (This with an SSD replacing the OEM hard drive.)

                        Microsoft Server 2012 is very Win 8-ish and I had a learning curve when I first set up some servers on it. Can't say I like it very much. Does not work well unless you have at least 2 processors and 16gb RAM. (VMware 5.1, these are virtual servers.)

                        At home I just run my (built in 2005) Mac Pro on OS 10.7.5 and it keeps on chugging along.
                        Jerry Fields
                        '82 XJ 'Sojourn'
                        '06 Concours
                        My Galleries Page.
                        My Blog Page.
                        "... life is just a honky-tonk show." Cherry Poppin' Daddy Strut

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                        • #13
                          T.C.,

                          In the long run you shouldn't have a problem with the hardware you've got now. Collect the drivers and apps before you try to upgrade and it should work. Unless you buy a new hard drive (I would and I did) for the upgrade, make a good system image and test it before you dive into trying to fix a perfectly good machine.

                          At least you've got a real dual-core and 4G of RAM. I've got one of the last of the old Prescott 630 3Ghz single cores with HyperThreading stuffed into an Intel D955XBK Extreme Edition motherboard along with 3G of RAM. I could move up to a Pentium D 960 for about $40 but two cores running at 3.6GHz would just make a big space heater.

                          Audio and video encoding used to be a single-threaded operation unless you spent silly money on multithreaded software. Now the whole Operating System supports it; heck, I think MSPAINT, NOTEPAD and WORDPAD are all multithreaded now too.

                          The hardware DRM garbage was one of the reasons I waited so long to move to Windows 7. I can watch and listen to just about anything except that shiny new 4K(?) video format and some persnickety Blue-Ray disks but I think that kind of video is really supposed to be displayed on three or more of those hi-def TV walls like they had in Fahrenheit 451, not on one old 19" NEC Multisync LCD.

                          The second reason I had to wait was for Creative Labs to write 64-bit drivers for my X-Fi Elite Pro, a technological marvel that was made for Windows XP 32-bit and came bundled with some pretty high-end gaming, audio creation and editing software. There are also some BSD and LINUX drivers lurking somewhere too.

                          I think Creative must have gotten pretty fed up with someone and with the whole WHQL driver signing game along with hardware DRM because they spent a lot of time writing unsigned drivers and apps for a hardware bundle they no longer sell but still support two generations removed from its intended market. It all works remarkably well even with the intentionally crippled HAL that was first foisted on everyone with Vista.



                          OUT OF STOCK

                          Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Elite Pro
                          7.1 Channels
                          24-bit 192KHz
                          PCI Interface


                          And, no, I'm not confused: it is Windows Two. It's partly from the old joke about there being only 10 kinds of people that understand binary numbers. I mean, you don't call Apple's operating system, "Oh Ess Ecks!"

                          The other part is from Microsoft's announcement that Windows Two will be the last version of Windows and the smart money is on a move toward a subscription model instead of the original Version One purchase/upgrade model. To paraphrase Sandra Bullock in Demolition Man, "Windows won the desktop wars, now all desktops are Windows 10." <bright smile>

                          Be well!

                          .
                          -- Scott
                          _____

                          2004 ST1300A: No name... yet
                          1982 XJ1100J: "Baby" SS Brakes, '850 FD, ACCT
                          1980 XS1100G: "Columbo" SS Brakes, '850 FD, ACCT
                          1979 XS1100SF: "Bush" W.I.P.
                          1979 XS1100F: parts
                          2018 Heritage Softail Classic 117 FLHCS SE: "Nanuk" It's DEAD, it's not just resting. It is an EX cycle.

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                          • #14
                            Hang on to that Mac, Jerry!

                            I think I can put 8G of ECC Ram in this board. It's been a while but I just don't do anything that needs RAM any more. I already encoded and re-encoded my music and video collection so that doesn't have to be done again. What's left?

                            Every three months I get a new Dave's Picks Grateful Dead show with three or four CDs that I have to rip with EAC and convert to flac but usually its just e-mail, newsgroups and web browsing while listening to music or watching TV. 3G is just right.

                            Here's a current Snip of MS Task Manager. Some stuff is swapped out but so what? I'm in no danger of missing Mars or anything like that when it's swapped back in:-


                            And a Captain Ahab Vivaldi spoof I made showing three different browsers:-



                            Dropbox is not cooperating with me tonight.

                            .
                            -- Scott
                            _____

                            2004 ST1300A: No name... yet
                            1982 XJ1100J: "Baby" SS Brakes, '850 FD, ACCT
                            1980 XS1100G: "Columbo" SS Brakes, '850 FD, ACCT
                            1979 XS1100SF: "Bush" W.I.P.
                            1979 XS1100F: parts
                            2018 Heritage Softail Classic 117 FLHCS SE: "Nanuk" It's DEAD, it's not just resting. It is an EX cycle.

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                            • #15
                              Hey again Scott,

                              Just a quick question, did you install Home or Pro version, and WHY one vs. the other?

                              T.C.
                              T. C. Gresham
                              81SH "Godzilla" . . .1179cc super-rat.
                              79SF "The Teacher" . . .basket case!
                              History shows again and again,
                              How nature points out the folly of men!

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