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    Good read, good advice, should be followed on our XS,XJ rally rides.

    >
    > Racing involves speed, concentration and commitment; the results of a
    > mistake are usually catastrophic because there's little room for error
    > riding at 100 percent. Performance street riding is less intense and
    > further from the absolute limit, but because circumstances are less
    > controlled, mistakes and overagressiveness can be equally catastrophic.
    > Plenty of roadracers have sworn off street riding. "Too dangerous, too
    > many variables and too easy to get carried away with too much speed,"
    > track specialists claim. Adrenaline-addled racers find themselves
    > treating the street like the track, and not surprisingly, they get burned
    > by the police, the laws of physics and the cold, harsh realities of an
    > environment not groomed for ten tenths riding. But as many of us know, a
    > swift ride down a favorite road may be the finest way to spend a few free
    > hours with a bike we love. And these few hours are best enjoyed riding at
    > The Pace.
    >
    > A year after I joined the Motorcyclist staff in 1984, Mitch Boehm was
    > hired. Six months later, The Pace came into being, and we perfected it
    > during the next few months of road testing and weekend fun rides. Now The
    > Pace is part of my life--and a part of the Sunday-morning riding group I
    > frequent. The Pace is a street technique that not only keeps street
    > riders alive, but thoroughly entertained as well.
    >
    > THE PACE
    >
    > The Pace focuses on bike control and de-emphasizes outright speed. Full-
    > throttle acceleration and last minute braking aren't part of the program,
    > effectively eliminating the two most common single-bike accident
    > scenarios in sport riding. Cornering momentum is the name of the game,
    > stressing strong, forceful inputs at the handlebar to place the bike
    > correctly at the entrance of the turn and get it flicked in with little
    > wasted time and distance. Since the throttle wasn't slammed open at the
    > exit of the last corner, the next corner doesn't require much, if any,
    > braking. It isn't uncommon to ride with our group and not see a brake
    > light flash all morning.
    >
    > If the brakes are required, the front lever gets squeezed smoothly,
    > quickly and with a good deal of force to set entrance speed with minimum
    > time. Running in on the brakes is tantamount to running off the road, a
    > confession that you're pushing too hard and not getting your entrance
    > speed set early enough because you stayed on the gas too long. Running
    > The Pace decreases your reliance on the throttle and brakes, the two
    > easiest controls to abuse, and hones your ability to judge cornering
    > speed, which is the most thrilling aspect of performance street riding.
    >
    > YOUR LANE IS YOUR LIMIT
    >
    > Crossing the centerline at any time except during a passing maneuver is
    > intolerable, another sign that you're pushing too hard to keep up. Even
    > when you have a clean line of sight through a right-hand kink, stay to
    > the left of the centerline. Staying on the left side of the centerline is
    > much more challenging than simply straightening every slight corner, and
    > when the whole group is committed to this intelligent practice, the
    > temptation to cheat is eliminated through peer pressure and logic. Though
    > street riding shouldn't be described in racing terms, you can think of
    > your lane as the racetrack. Leaving your lane is tantamount to a crash.
    >
    > Exact bike control has you using every inch of your lane if the
    > circumstances permit it. In corners with a clear line of sight and no
    > oncoming traffic, enter at the far outside of the corner, turn the bike
    > relatively late in the corner to get a late apex at the far inside of
    > your lane and accelerate out, just brushing the far outside of your lane
    > as your bike stands up. Steer your bike forcefully but smoothly to
    > minimize the transition time; don't hammer it down because the chassis
    > will bobble slightly as it settles, possibly carrying you off line. Since
    > you haven't charged in on the brakes, you can get the throttle on early,
    > before the apex, which balances and settles your bike for the drive out.
    >
    > More often than not, circumstances do not permit the full use of your
    > lane from white line to white line and back again. Blind corners,
    > oncoming traffic and gravel on the road are a few criteria that dictate a
    > more conservative approach, so leave yourself a three-or four-foot margin
    > for error, especially at the right side of the lane where errant oncoming
    > traffic could prove fatal. Simply narrow your entrance on a blind left-
    > hander and move your apex into your lane three feet on blind right turns
    > in order to stay free of unseen oncoming traffic hogging the centerline.
    > Because you're running at The Pace and not flat out, your controlled
    > entrances offer additional time to deal with unexpected gravel or other
    > debris in your lane; the outside wheel track is usually the cleanest
    > through a dirty corner since a car weights its outside tires most,
    > scrubbing more dirt off the pavement in the process, so aim for that
    > line.
    >
    > A GOOD LEADER, WILLING FOLLOWERS
    >
    > The street is not a racing environment, and it takes humility, self
    > assurance and self control to keep it that way. The leader sets the pace
    > and monitors his mirrors for signs of raggedness in the ranks that
    > follow, such as tucking in on straights, crossing over the center line
    > and hanging off the motorcycle in corners. If the leader pulls away, he
    > simply slows his straightaway speed slightly but continues to enjoy the
    > corners, thus closing the ranks but missing none of the fun. The small
    > group of three or four riders I ride with is so harmonious that the pace
    > is identical no matter who's leading. The lead shifts occasionally with a
    > quick hand sign, but there's never a pass for the lead with an ego on the
    > sleeve. Make no mistake, the riding is spirited and quick--in the
    > corners. Anyone with a right arm can hammer down the straights; it's the
    > proficiency in the corners that makes The Pace come alive.
    >
    > Following distances are relatively lengthy, with the straightaways---
    > taken at more moderate speeds--the perfect opportunity to adjust the
    > gaps. Keeping a good distance serves several purposes, besides being
    > safer. Rock chips are minimized and the highway patrol won't suspect a
    > race is in progress. The Pace's style of not hanging off in corners also
    > reduces the appearance of pushing too hard and adds a degree of maturity
    > and sensibility in the eyes of the public and the law. There's a definite
    > challenge to cornering quickly while sitting sedately on your bike.
    >
    > New rider indoctrination takes some time because The Pace develops very
    > high cornering speeds and newcomers want to hammer the throttle on exits
    > to make up for what they lose at the entrances. Our group slows
    > drastically when a new rider joins the ranks because our technique of
    > moderate straightaway speeds and no brakes can suck the unaware into a
    > corner too fast, creating the most common single-bike accident. With a
    > new rider learning The Pace behind you, tap your brake lightly well
    > before the turn to alert him and make sure he understands there's no
    > pressure to stay with the group.
    >
    > There's plenty of ongoing communication during The Pace. A foot off the
    > peg indicates debris on the road, and all slowing or turning intentions
    > are signaled in advance with the left hand and arm. Turn signals are used
    > for direction changes and passing, with a wave of the left hand to thank
    > the cars that move left and make it easy for the motorcyclists to get
    > past. Since you don't have a death grip on the handlebar, your left hand
    > is also free to wave to oncoming riders, a fading courtesy that we'd like
    > to see return. If you're getting the idea The Pace is a relaxing,
    > noncompetitive way to ride with a group, you are right.\par
    >
    > RELAX AND FLICK IT
    >
    > I'd rather spend a Sunday in the mountains riding at The Pace than a
    > Sunday at the racetrack, it is that enjoyable. Countersteering is the
    > name of the game, a smooth forceful steering input at the handlebar
    > relayed to the tires contact patches through a rigid sport-bike frame.
    > Riding at The Pace is certainly what the bike manufacturers had in mind
    > when sport bikes evolved to the street.
    >
    > But the machine isn't the most important aspect of running The Pace
    > because you can do it on anything capable of getting through a corner.
    > Attitude is The Pace's most important aspect; realizing the friend ahead
    > of you isn't a competitor, respecting his right to lead the group
    > occasionally and giving him credit for his riding skills. You must have
    > the maturity to limit your straightaway speeds to allow the group to stay
    > in touch and the sense to realize that racetrack tactics such as late
    > braking and full throttle runs to redline will alienate the public and
    > police and possibly introduce you to the unforgiving laws of gravity.
    > When the group arrives at the destination after running The Pace, no one
    > feels outgunned or is left with the feeling he must prove himself on the
    > return run. If you've got something to prove, get on a racetrack.
    >
    > The racetrack measures your speed with a stopwatch and direct
    > competition, welcoming your aggression and gritty resolve to be the best.
    > Performance street riding's only yardstick is the amount of enjoyment
    > gained, not lap times, finishing position or competitors beaten. The
    > differences are huge but not always remembered by riders who haven't
    > discovered The Pace's cornering pureness and group involvement. Hammer on
    > the racetrack. Pace yourself on the street.
    >
    This was posted earlier today on the other XS site. I believe it was taken from an Engliush M/C magazine.
    Ken/Sooke

  • #2
    I read about this in Motorcyclist Mag years ago and use this riding method on solo rides often, I have for years. Makes the ride more relaxing, no worrys about cops, no as much concern for idiots. On tight twisty roads run the corners the same speed as the straights, not as boring as it sounds.
    buffalo
    80 XS1100SG

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    • #3
      Spirited Riding???

      Hey Ken,
      All that is wonderful...until you look into the rearviews and see the guy behind you with a look of panic on his face because he has overrun the corner...and now he's standing on the brakes and about to run up your exhaust.

      That kinda' stuff only works when EVERYBODY reads (and agrees with) it.

      But when you are running a 'Road race' (or trying to) none of that matters.
      All that counts is who is in the lead

      I'm not opposed to 'scraping pegs' every once in a while...but not on crowded roads...or in groups...unless I'm having to avoid others
      I'm to 'old' for that noise...

      "before the cream has sat to long, you must whip it"
      DEVO cir.1980
      MO-N-STEVE
      '79 SF "MO's Missile"
      '79 SF "That Old Black Magic"
      '79 SF "the Tomato Can"
      '80 SG "The BEAST"
      '80 XS850-SG "STILETTO"
      '81 SH "The NEW KID"
      '76 CB 750 K5 "The Orphan"

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      • #4
        Groupies!!

        With good weather just around the corner and all of these up coming rallies, thought I'd "bump" this thread for the newbies and veterans alike to review!!

        Also might want to check out this article on the AMA web site:
        Group Riding Techniques

        Be safe, and have fun out there!
        T.C.
        T. C. Gresham
        81SH "Godzilla" . . .1179cc super-rat.
        79SF "The Teacher" . . .basket case!
        History shows again and again,
        How nature points out the folly of men!

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        • #5
          Crossing the centerline at any time except during a passing maneuver is
          > intolerable, another sign that you're pushing too hard to keep up. Even
          > when you have a clean line of sight through a right-hand kink, stay to
          > the left of the centerline. Staying on the left side of the centerline is
          > much more challenging than simply straightening every slight corner, and
          > when the whole group is committed to this intelligent practice, the
          > temptation to cheat is eliminated through peer pressure and logic



          Was this written for the UK? Staying to the left of centerline would put you in the oncoming traffic's lane in this country. Here in Central WI, this is the common practice of about 80 % of the cagers. VERY exciting to meet one half way through a blind right-hand sweeping curve. Twice with my school bus I met just such a circumstance, fortunately, the cager was able to swerve back into the other lane, but not able to swerve back and stay on the road. I was admonished by the deputy sheriff for not staying and giving assistance. I REALLY HATE THIS PRACTICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!, but most do it.
          put something smooooth betwen your legs, XS eleven
          79 F (Blueballs)
          79 SF (Redbutt)
          81 LH (organ donor)
          79 XS 650S (gone to MC heaven)
          76 CB 750 (gone to MC heaven)
          rover has spoken

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          • #6
            They must be talking about staying to the left of center of your lane so you don't interfer with the person riding on your right rear. This is about group riding.

            Steve
            80 XS1100G Standard - YammerHammer
            73 Yamaha DT3 - DirtyHairy
            62 Norton Atlas - AgileFragile (Dunstalled) waiting reassembly
            Norton Electra - future restore
            CZ 400 MX'er
            68 Ducati Scrambler
            RC Planes and Helis

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            • #7
              Obviously written in the UK, references are backwards:

              "...thank the cars that move left and make it easy for the motorcyclists to get past."

              "...so leave yourself a three-or four-foot margin for error, especially at the right side of the lane where errant oncoming traffic could prove fatal."

              Good advice. I like to think we do this to some degree at XS East rides anyway. As TC says, better weather is coming so commentary on this is certainly welcome, and I think important. We certainly want everyone to arrive back in one piece.

              Anyone else comment on our rides?
              Last edited by MartyA; 02-12-2006, 05:12 AM.
              Marty in NW PA
              Gone - 1978E - one of the first XS11 made
              Gone - 2007A FJR - the only year of Dark Red Metallic
              This IS my happy face.

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              • #8
                groups

                no but i'd like to hear more.i normaly don't ride with groups , Xspecialy larger ones. A few friends and i would get togeather once in a while for a putt..(they have hardleys) so that was a given. but whoever called the ride took point.And away we went. So what is normal proto call?single file stagered double up ? hey with the rally i got planned i would like to think i got a handle on things i do use hand signals with my directionals (always) just makes you more visible i think.
                1982 XJ 1100
                going strong after 60,000 miles

                The new and not yet improved TRIXY
                now in the stable. 1982 xj11, 18,000miles

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                • #9
                  Re: groups

                  Originally posted by chevy45412001
                  no but i'd like to hear more.i normaly don't ride with groups , Xspecialy larger ones. A few friends and i would get togeather once in a while for a putt..(they have hardleys) so that was a given. but whoever called the ride took point.And away we went. So what is normal proto call?single file stagered double up ? hey with the rally i got planned i would like to think i got a handle on things i do use hand signals with my directionals (always) just makes you more visible i think.
                  Normal rally protocol is staggered double but single file in twisties. I've got a couple sets of rally rules somewhere that I'll post when I find them, one set for riders and one for leaders. Clubs I've ridden with here in California mostly ride by what is called "Southern Rules".

                  Crotch rocket riders have one rule...don't crash, it ruins everyone's day.
                  Shiny side up,
                  650 Mike

                  XS1100SF "Rusty", runs great, 96k miles
                  XS650SJ "The Black Bike", engine from XS650H with 750cc big bore kit, 30k miles

                  Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in one pretty and well preserved piece, but to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, worn out and defiantly shouting, "WOW, what a ride !" - [URL="http://www.flyingsnail.com/Sprung/index.html"]Sprung[/URL]

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                  • #10
                    IMHO, the "pace" is as easy as it sounds, and certainly very safe, but not much fun for most groups, and won't happen, as ideal as it sounds. Here is why.

                    First let me state that, if all you ride is straight roads and maintain speed limits and all stop at the same time for gas and food, your groups will "pace" automatically and you need not read any further.

                    Group riding is all about variation. There are two types of group variation, within-group variation and group to group variation.

                    Lets take three groups of motorcycles with their riders, all riding down the same well known twisty canyon road. (Bike name are for reference only.)

                    Group 1 is a group of Venture or Wing riders. They ride in a sprited manner.

                    Group 2 is a group of R-1 riders riding in a spirited manner.

                    Group 3 is a bunch of XS11.com riders at a rally running all out - I mean in a spirited manner.

                    The within-group variation will affect each group such that there will be observable variation - distance between each rider, individual speeds, "clumping" - when it runs down that canyon road. The causes of these observations are rider ability, experience, suspension condition, tire type and condition, and so on, to list a few. Note that all bikes can go very slowly on any road, and some can go a lot faster than others. This is where combinations of variation come in - a newbie may ride at the same reduced speed on an R-1 as he / she would on a cruiser on the same road. Tires and suspension settings combined with rider ability and bike design 'combine' to affect speed. The best rider on a Venture will never match the top speed of a good rider on an R-1 in the same corner. An R-1 can do 10 to say 65 MPH in the same corner, the Venture can do 10 to say 35. That is also the cause of 'clumping' in any group, where a slower rider in the middle is holding up some faster riders, and faster riders in front of that slower rider are pulling away.

                    The main source of the group to group variation is primarily the bike design, which will affect the overall speed of the group. If you assume each rider in each group has at least a minimum ability to control his or her bike, then the bike design is the dominant source or group to group variation. In this example, Group 1 bikes are designed to corner at speed, Group 2 bikes are designed to go in a straight line comfortably for a long time. Mostly group to group variation has little to do - by itself - with the 'pace' not working.

                    Group 1
                    Ventures and Wings are not designed to handle curves like an R-1, so, by design, the group should be the much slower group compared to Group 2. But the within group variation will be lower due to the reduced availability of speed 'zones'. These bikes may do 25 and 35 in a particular curve but might not be able to do 45 or 55 in the same curve. The sources of combination variation are reduced and the effects are reduced. Because of that this might be a much easier group to keep together.

                    Group 2
                    With respect to the group to group variation, the R-1 will certainly be faster, due to two main items - the bikes are designed to corner at much higher speeds, and due to that even a rider with minimum competency would be somewhat faster than if that rider was on a Venture. However, there might be more within group variation here due to the availability of more 'zones' of higher and higher speed - you can do 25 and 35 and 45 an 55 and 65 on the same corner with the same bike. More combinations of variation at work.

                    Group 3
                    XS11.com owners are a varied bunch. The bikes are old and new, not designed to corner like an R-1, and very similar to an R-1. On the XS11's, the suspensions might be fresh or a little tired, there are old riders, younger riders; aftermarket parts are tough to find so things like tires and shocks will be all different, and on and on. (Note this is just an example of a vintage, varied group, I am not picking on XS11 owners or their bikes.) By design the XS11 can corner better than a Goldwing, but due to its age and some of the factors listed above might be only marginally better. Along with the more modern bikes in the group it will have the most within group variation, but with respect to the group to group variation this group may be faster than Group 1, and never match Group 2.

                    Now to the "pace." If I had a group of Ventures, or a group of ST1100;s, or R-1's, or Electra-Glides, or even 50cc, whatever, as long as the bikes are very similar in DESIGN, AND the combination variation is limited, that is, the within group variation is significantly reduced, then the 'pace' works fine. If I always have a Group 1 it will be much easier to keep them together than a Group 2. If I raise the level of the minimal riders ability in Group 2, - reduce the within group variation - they become more like Group 1, just faster as a group, but again easier and easier to keep together. The 'pace' would work with little effort.

                    See where I am going with this?

                    Now why would the "pace" not work? Put me and my FZ-1 at the back of Group 1. What do you think I am going to do? How do you think I will ride? How much fun am I having? Put me in the front, I am still 'crawling' to keep the next guy in my mirrors. If I take off and someone tries to keep up, there might be problems, and for sure we get separated.

                    What happened? The within group variation got huge. Magnify that within group variation further- put Group 1 and Group 2 together, add some Harleys, a chopper, some older bikes of varying condition like the XS11. Add completely different rider abilities to the mix, total newbie to veteran racer, and you might have some very unhappy riders and some frantic riders and some nervous riders and some bored riders and some frustrated riders.... Unless you belong to and only ride with a Group 1 or a close Group 2, you have a Group 3. The 'pace' doesn't work on Group 3.

                    What type of group do you mostly ride with? A 'town' group with a mix of everything? If you do ride with a mixed group, you have a couple of options.

                    You COULD try to make it work, force limits to the group like maintaining a maximum speed that all can adhere to, and the way to do that is to put the slowest driver in the front, and that will guarantee the group stays together. This will 'pace' the group. When you do this, you have forced all of the variation to exibit the same effect - speed, 'fun factor', spacing, an so on - The 'pace.' You are forcing your group to be a Group 1.

                    There are two problems with this method.

                    First, who leads? Do you have someone who acknowledges they are the slowest?

                    The second problem is not everyone will be happy with this method. If there is a very small variation in the abilities of the individuals of the group, this will likely satisfy all.

                    But it will not. You are group 3. In that group someone's style is to go fast, someone else slower, some have bikes that are just slower, some are faster by design. Here is where accidents happen - slow by design bikes trying to keep up, less-able riders forced to keep up. Frustration may also set in, certainly after one or two of these excursions the 'faster' rider will seek out other methods or groups. Frustration may cause a more opinionated person in this group to trash talk about how terrible 'wings are, or how dumb those XS11 guys are for riding those old bikes, or how crazy fast those crotch rocket riders are, and so on.

                    The 'pace' will work for small groups of very similar bikes and similar riding styles and abilities. It will never work with a group that exhibits 'excessive' within group variation. Unless you can assemble a group with a terrific understanding or unlimited patience.

                    Now that said, I don't mind the XS rallies, to use them as an example. I do tend to ride a bit faster in the curves, but I do appreciate others abilities being better than mine as well as a bit less than mine. At XS rallies you might see some 'faster' styles at the front, some slower styles at the rear, maybe some 'clumping' in the middle. We should understand that this is the time for all to have fun, that we are on routes we might not get to see at home (like ME). We should not get upset at the bike in front that might be a bit slower than your style, and not get upset if someone passes or gets in liine ahead of their prior position during the ride. At our XS11 rallies we have mostly agreed that the faster styles will go to the front and then wait at the next intersection. We understand that there are different levels of styles, and we accept that.

                    We should keep the "pace" in mind during our rides, but we are Xsive! We make our own 'pace.'
                    Marty in NW PA
                    Gone - 1978E - one of the first XS11 made
                    Gone - 2007A FJR - the only year of Dark Red Metallic
                    This IS my happy face.

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                    • #11
                      Marty,
                      I think you may have just established the reason that 95% of my riding is done by myself. It is nice to get together with members of a group with something in common from time to time, but I think that rides which feature a variety of bikes and riders of disparate experience and ability should make up only a portion of the program. This gives the guys with a bit more experience and better maintained equipment the opportunity to ride at their pace in the afternoon after the morning ride for all members of the group is done.
                      I have been on group rides that featured everything from crotch rockets to an SV-650 in the hands of a newbie with a fresh learners permit in his pocket and I can tell you, we divided up into smaller groups almost immediately. Why would an experienced rider on a high performance sport bike want to ride with a guy with 30 days experience on a much slower machine?
                      The best piece of advice I can give anyone is to never get in over your head or exceed your ability or that of your equipment. One way to improve your skills is to follow a more experienced rider who is riding just a bit faster than you would through the twisties, but trying to keep up with that rider when he is setting a pace which is at the edge of his ability is suicide for a less experienced rider. Don't ask me how I can say that with such conviction.
                      _________________
                      John
                      78E
                      79 SF (2)
                      80 G "The Beast"
                      81 H "The Dresser"
                      79 XS650 II
                      82 650 Maxim
                      70 DT-1 Enduro
                      66 Honda CL-77 Scrambler
                      96 H-D Road King

                      "The road to hell is paved with good intentions."

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                      • #12
                        Is that a bird, plane? No, it's an Xsive!

                        Hey Marty,

                        On most of the rallies I've been to, passing of each other was frowned on! And I did get frustrated riding near the back of the pack behind a newbie on a XS Triple750, but I was filming at the time, so I just had to bide my time and roll along!

                        So...IF we are in this mega group, and you can see that the "clump" you're in is falling considerably behind the front clump, and you know you can ride a faster pace, then are we going to allow passing amongst ourselves "DURING" the ride, or only rearrange ourselves after a pitstop?

                        I'll admit that during my last ride to Suches, Ga., and The Tail of the Dragon, that after several hours of modest twisties just to get to the Dragon, that after several miles of the Dragon, I felt rather fatigued and decided to NOT try to keep up with the rider ahead of me, and set my own comfortable pace. Cutting up the mountain is fun, but if I wanted to ride like a Crotcheteer ALL THE TIME, I would get one!!
                        T. C. Gresham
                        81SH "Godzilla" . . .1179cc super-rat.
                        79SF "The Teacher" . . .basket case!
                        History shows again and again,
                        How nature points out the folly of men!

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                        • #13
                          Yeah, mostly I meant just that, pass after a pitstop. Your description is better, rearrange after a pitstop.

                          But I have seen some folks signal someone behind them to go ahead, that is OK also.

                          Understand I am NOT saying don't ride in groups. Just recognize that there are some things that should be recognized with a group as diverse as ours.
                          Marty in NW PA
                          Gone - 1978E - one of the first XS11 made
                          Gone - 2007A FJR - the only year of Dark Red Metallic
                          This IS my happy face.

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                          • #14
                            If I am riding by myself, I tend to be a little more aggresive. When I am riding with a group, I am there for the comraderie, the scenery, the smells, the noises.... I could easily fly by the Harleys and Honda Shadows I usually accompany, but how could you notice the old log cabin off to the side, or the pretty blonde that just drove by you in the cage... if every ounce of concentration is on the highway? It won't take long in a ride to find out who the guy is that slows many up. I say...ask him to take lead... everybody else take a chill pill, listen to the wind and your motor, and get there a couple minutes later than you may have. This isn't a competition, it's relaxing enjoyment... or supposed to be. If you're the type that sits there and gets a chapped arse because someone is slower than you... next stop... take off. We'll meet ya there!

                            Tod
                            Try your hardest to be the kind of person your dog thinks you are.

                            You can live to be 100, as long as you give up everything that would make you want to live to be 100!

                            Current bikes:
                            '06 Suzuki DR650
                            *'82 XJ1100 with the 1179 kit. "Mad Maxim"
                            '82 XJ1100 Completely stock fixer-upper
                            '82 XJ1100 Bagger fixer-upper
                            '82 XJ1100 Motor/frame and lots of boxes of parts
                            '82 XJ1100 Parts bike
                            '81 XS1100 Special
                            '81 YZ250
                            '80 XS850 Special
                            '80 XR100
                            *Crashed/Totalled, still own

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                            • #15
                              Well said, Tod. You've been to an XS Rally, haven't you.

                              We might not get the slowest guy, but we do wait if we get separated. It IS about the comraderie. Why our stops are sometimes too long, everybody BS'ing...
                              Marty in NW PA
                              Gone - 1978E - one of the first XS11 made
                              Gone - 2007A FJR - the only year of Dark Red Metallic
                              This IS my happy face.

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