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    From what I been seeing is this. The optical smoke detectors do a better job in smoldering fires. They automatically sense whether it is burning toaster or a real fire.

    Optical fire detectors are available at home depot for about $37.00.

    The ion smoke detectors came out in the 1970's. Experts are saying that some times they will not go off until after a fire has been burning for 19 minutes. Most people will die in 45 sec in a house fire. I'm still leaving my 2 ion detectors installed. can't hurt anything.

    I bought three 117 degree mechanical heat detectors. 1 above my 2 hot water heaters and a few feet from my furnace, 1 in the kitchen by the dryer and 1 in the attic above the bedroom.

    I bought 1 carbon monoxide detector for the bedroom.

    I bought 3 optical smoke detectors, 1 in the kitchen, 1 in the hall outside the bedroom and 1 downstairs.

    2 fire extinguisher's, 1 in the bedroom and 1 for the kitchen.

    THIS POST COULD SAVE LIVES :

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    The Fire Problem

    Many Americans believe "fires can only happen to other people...not to me, and not in my home". Yet over 80 percent of fire deaths occur in the home.

    According to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA), fire is the third leading cause of accidental death. Residential occupancies account for most fire fatalities and most of these deaths occur at night during the sleeping hours. 1.5 million Americans are injured by fire each year. It is estimated that each household will experience three (usually unreported) fires per decade and two fires serious enough to report to a fire department per lifetime.

    Even though 92% of homes in America have smoke detectors today, the fire death rate does not reflect any decrease in deaths due to this protection. The United States has one of the highest fire death rates in the industrialized world, with home fires as a leading cause of death in children. To put the fire epidemic into perspective, each year fire kills more Americans than all natural disasters combined, and kills more children than polio did as a run away epidemic. According to the Burn Awareness Center, burns are the number one cause of accidental death in children under the age of 2, the second cause of accidental death in children from ages 1-4, and the third for ages 1-18.
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    Detection of Smoke:
    Full-Scale Tests With Flaming and Smoldering Fires
    ØYSTEIN MELAND and LARS EINAR LØNVIK SINTEF
    NBL- Norwegian Fire Research Labaratory
    N-7034 Trondheim Norway
    ABSTRACT
    Full scale fire tests are carried out to study the effectiveness of the various types of smoke
    detectors to provide an early warning of a fire. Both optical smoke detectors and ionization
    smoke detectors have been used. Alarm times are related to human tenability limits for toxic
    effects, visibility loss and heat stress. During smouldering fires it is only the optical detectors that
    provide satisfactory safety. With flaming fires the ionization detectors react before the optical
    ones. If a fire were started by a glowing cigarette, optical detectors are generally recommended.
    If not, the response time with these two types of detectors are so close that it is only in extreme
    cases that this difference between optical and ionization detectors would be critical in saving
    lives.
    1 INTRODUCTION
    1.1 Statement of the problem.
    Many fire related deaths are caused by the fire being discovered too late. This is closely
    associated with detector technology, in other words, how quickly detectors react to different fire
    developments. This is the background to the experiments described in this paper. The main
    objective has been to determine the differences in how such equipment detects fire and relate
    these results to human safety during fires in buildings.
    Four different experiments were done, two experiments with smouldering fire developments and
    two experiments with flaming fire developments. All experiments are carried out in a room with a
    floor area of about 17m . All the fires were in bedding where the fabrics are not flame retardant.
    There was no other furniture in the test room apart from the bed where the fire started. The time
    of alarm was recorded for each detector. Measurements were also made for a number of
    parameters that characterize early fire developments. These are pressure, temperature, carbonmonoxide
    and oxygen concentrations, reduction of visibility and particle distribution in smoke as a
    result of the fire development.
    3 RESULTS
    3.1 Smouldering fires.
    In cases of smouldering fires, the critical limits for the accumulated CO-dose and visibility in the
    test room were reached about at the same time. This was typically 5000-6000 seconds after the
    start of the fire.
    Both the optical smoke detectors and the residential types as well as the optical smoke detectors
    in the test room where the fire started detected the smoke sufficiently early to avoid a lethal
    situation during this type of fire development.
    The ionization smoke detectors detected smoke from a smouldering fire much later than
    the optical detectors. When the particular conditions during the fire development are
    taken into consideration there are reasons to indicate that this detection principle would
    not provide adequate safety during this type of fire. This is in spite of the fact that the
    detectors were located in the test room.
    "We are often so caught up in our destination that we forget to appreciate the journey." "

  • #2
    I'll just keep my ion detectors. The wife finds them usefull for food timers when cooking, and I like the small daily dose of radiation they emit.

    Tod
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    • #3
      optical smoke detector = photoelectric smoke detector
      ion smoke detector = ionization smoke detector

      Ionization smoke alarms sound more quickly when a flaming, fast moving fire occurs. Photoelectric smoke alarms are quicker at sensing smoldering, smoky fires. There are also combination smoke alarms that combine ionization and photoelectric into one unit, called dual sensor smoke alarms. Dual sensor smoke alarms are better at detecting distinctly different yet potentially fatal fires, and because homeowners cannot predict what type of fire might start in a home.

      I have probably tested hundreds of thousands of smoke detectors over 11 years.......and you just wasted $37 a piece to solve half the problem.
      Last edited by Montreux_Blue; 12-04-2009, 10:26 PM.
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      • #4
        Why a waste?

        Ever heard of Master guard systems?

        I hear they are the best.

        So I bought them. They were a little more than $37.00. Home Depot price. Master Gaurd price $400.00?

        www.mastergaurd.com
        "We are often so caught up in our destination that we forget to appreciate the journey." "

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        • #5
          Those are a repackaged GENTEX brand smoke detectors. They false alarm all the time but the piezo is ear piercing. I have witnessed a few senior citizens sleep through them though. We buy them for about $50 a piece and they are 110VAC with 9v backup. They have some weak tabs on the back that hold them on the mounting plate, not sure if the battery only one mount the same.
          Last edited by Montreux_Blue; 12-04-2009, 10:53 PM.
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          1980 XS11 Special - chopped, dropped and OCTY is still installed - NOW IT'S FOR SALE! $1,800 OBO


          Famous Myspace quote:

          "Don't mess with TEXAS! It's not nice to pick on retards."

          It's funny because I am from TEXAS!

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          • #6
            Mine need new batteries. I threw them out the front door after they kept going off every time the furnace lit up at 3am, or when the bacon was cooking.

            I'll stick with "FIRE--FIRE---FIRE!!!!"

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            • #7
              All of these defenses are predicated on the premise that you WANT to stay on this miserable planet, rather than moving on to whatever paradise your religion believes in....
              Nice day, if it doesn't rain...

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Winterhawk View Post
                Why a waste?
                Because it only solves half the problem, there are different types of fires....
                Ionization smoke alarms sound more quickly when a flaming, fast moving fire occurs. Photoelectric smoke alarms are quicker at sensing smoldering, smoky fires.
                All smoke detectors are basically junk, no sense in spending $400 on one that makes you half safe when you can get a dual ion/photo. They all have to be UL approved and do the same thing. And unless you clean them and do a sensitivity test on them every other year, you should replace them every 2-3 years anyway, so $400 gets expensive. Mount them at least 3 feet from a vent, which will cut down on false alarms. And if you want to clean them just use some computer duster canned air or some of them come apart for cleaning.
                http://www.myspace.com/i_give_you_power

                1980 XS11 Special - chopped, dropped and OCTY is still installed - NOW IT'S FOR SALE! $1,800 OBO


                Famous Myspace quote:

                "Don't mess with TEXAS! It's not nice to pick on retards."

                It's funny because I am from TEXAS!

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by XSokieSPECIAL View Post
                  Mine need new batteries. I threw them out the front door after they kept going off every time the furnace lit up at 3am, or when the bacon was cooking.

                  I'll stick with "FIRE--FIRE---FIRE!!!!"
                  After seeing so many fail in the commercial buildings I test, I don't want one either. I figure when it gets hot enough, I'll get up, or not.
                  http://www.myspace.com/i_give_you_power

                  1980 XS11 Special - chopped, dropped and OCTY is still installed - NOW IT'S FOR SALE! $1,800 OBO


                  Famous Myspace quote:

                  "Don't mess with TEXAS! It's not nice to pick on retards."

                  It's funny because I am from TEXAS!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Winterhawk View Post
                    Ever heard of Master guard systems?
                    www.mastergaurd.com
                    I have. These guys favorite targets are seniors, who they like to panic into buying their overpriced stuff with a bunch of alarmist statistics and news items, but if it works on others they have no complaints. Clever promotion that IMO probably just misses being illegal...

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                    • #11
                      sleep tight...

                      Even the dual sensor detectors aren't foolproof:

                      http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/a.../10/c5509.html

                      You don't have to read any farther than this line: "Manufactured in: China".

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                      • #12
                        Isn't that something about Kidde.

                        My RV came pre-hardwired with a propane leak detector and a carbon monoxide detector above the bed. It has an ion Think I'll get an ion/photo one for it next like Montreux_Blue says.

                        I think the ones in the house gets placed in the dishwasher it says.

                        I've heard of a few people who have spent 15 grand on home sprinkler systems hat have had false alarms destroying the homes property.

                        What brand do you recommend Montreux_Blue?

                        I think having one or two is better than not having anything?
                        "We are often so caught up in our destination that we forget to appreciate the journey." "

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                        • #13
                          My family has lived in our house 35 years and we have never had smoke alarms...only now that we are selling the home has it been necessary to install them...After 1 week the smoke detector went off...false alarm...seems the batteries got low...so replaced them and 1 week later it did it again...so now we just disconnected the stupid thing...yeah you can really trust things made in China You want a conspiracy theory..try this...The Chinese are trying to kill us thru consumer products
                          1980 XS650G Special-Two
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                          • #14
                            while i don't think it was intended to be, this is the funniest post i have read in a long time. you guys crack me up! i have the smoke detectors tied into my alarm system, and while the battery did die and it was a pain in the a@@ to get the right battery and get the system to reset, i'll stick with that...figure it's a two for one deal on that action.
                            1980 XS 1100 Special (working to be my daily ride)

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                            • #15
                              It wasn't very funny one day my furnace board shorted out. It cooked the thermostat upstairs. I pulled it off the wall just in time as it was melting and turning black.

                              I still think that detectors along with household pets can save lives.

                              Especially carbon monoxide detectors. One guy I know had a heat chamber break, fumes entered the house while he was sleeping and the detector saved his life. Never had a chance to get a headache and nausea.

                              I wanted an alarm system that had fire and intruders. It was $50.00 a month for life. I'll just have to rely on S&W, XD, Kaltec and Ruger for this.
                              Last edited by Winterhawk; 12-05-2009, 11:39 AM. Reason: added info
                              "We are often so caught up in our destination that we forget to appreciate the journey." "

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