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    So how do you tell someone is a true biker, rather than simply a “bike owner”?

    Some say it’s the clothes. Some think that you can tell a true biker by how many Harley, MotoGuzzi, or Joe Rocket logos he has all over him.

    Some say it’s the tattoos. Some think you just cannot be a biker without armfuls of faded ink bearing skulls and old girlfriends’ names.

    Some say it’s the bike. “There can be only one!” is often the rallying cry.

    Some say it’s the miles. True bikers ride, and ride a lot.

    Maybe it’s all these. Maybe it’s none of them. Maybe it is different for each person.

    I say it’s the attitude.

    Here is an example:
    Friday afternoon my friend James was to come over and do some work on his ’81 Goldwing, which has been in pieces in my garage for several days as we worked on the fuel system. We had to remove the tank (located in the frame under the seat) and cut out the old rusted fuel lines, weld the tank back up, add a new fitting, and epoxy coat the inside. She was also getting new rubber, and we also did some repair to a bad alternator wiring harness we found during the disassembly process. The ‘Wing looked like a half-eaten carcass scattered all over my garage, as the tank removal required tearing the entire back of the bike off.

    Of course what else should you expect to find in a Dragon’s garage than a half eaten carcass?

    So Friday James shows up…unfortunately he made a spectacular entrance.

    I don’t think anybody has ever showed up at my house and calmly asked me to put out the fire on his jeep before.

    Seems the front brake caliper locked up, and heated the front rotor and wheel to cherry red. The center cap of the wheel even melted off. The grease on the steering components ignited simply from the radiant heat.

    It took several minutes of dousing it with copious amounts of water from the garden hose to cool the mess off and stop the smoking.

    So, off to the parts store we go. While there we get the last bit of stuff we need for the ‘Wing, and a new brake caliper for the jeep.

    So, here is the set-up. Both his vehicles are broken down now. He has nothing left to drive. We are standing there with parts in hand to fix both. The jeep ought to take about an hour, and the ‘Wing is so far apart that we expect it to take at least 8 hours to put back together, and that is assuming we find nothing else wrong. It is, after-all, a 22-year-old bike. To top it all off, the registration, inspection, and insurance expire on the ‘Wing the next day, and it really needs a new battery.

    So which to fix, the Jeep or the ‘Wing?

    There was never a question. We both shrugged, rolled up our sleeves, and started putting the motorcycle back together.

    Eight and a half hours later, James pushed the start button on the ‘Wing. It was 1:30am in the morning.

    Vrrroooommmm! Man that is a sweet sound!

    That was the point we realized that the sensible and logical action would have been to fix the jeep first.

    James looked at the jeep and the brand-new caliper sitting in its box. “Screw the jeep, I’m going for a ride.”

    I went with him.

    CUAgain,
    Daniel Meyer
    Author. Adventurer. Electrician.
    Find out why...It's About the Ride.

  • #2
    Man.... That's a tough one for me....I'm a die hard Jeeper
    http://www.jeepaholics.com/rides/view.asp?id=1698

    I guess I'd be a rider. I wonder how long it takes to change over?
    79 XS1100F "JINGUS"
    07 V-star 1100
    Do you want it done right or do you want me to do it?

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    • #3
      Well...his jeep is "only" a 6 cylinder Cherokee...so that might make it easier...
      CUAgain,
      Daniel Meyer
      Author. Adventurer. Electrician.
      Find out why...It's About the Ride.

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      • #4
        Your not kidding about having that wing apart! Cool pic.
        97 Vmax, 88 Corvette convertible, 82 XJ100 gone to a new owner (sellers remorse is a horible thing)

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        • #5
          My daily driver is a 72 Jeep Wagoneer..... painted military style 3 color camo.
          1978 XS1100E "Flashback"

          "If at first you don't succeed.... Get a bigger hammer."

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          • #6
            Well, what else can I say other than, "Another good read, Danny!" There is one variable in the formula of: What Makes the Biker:, that you may have forgotten. It is one we've all heard. It's experience. How many times have we've heard,"Well, --- I 've been riding a motorcycle since --------" ? This time I believe you hit the nail on the head. It's in the heart! And in the soul.
            BTW, I've been doing some wrenching on a Honda too. No Goldwing though; it's the wife's '82 CX500. My objective was to make it first sound and safe, then get it legal. Well, today I have a set of Temp. License Plates and Proof of Insurance laid out in an obvious place [as a surprise] for her to find when she gets home from work at 10:30 tonight. No commerative ride though.Too much rain!
            On the lighter side: Anyone have the plans for an XSEleven powered Ark?
            Ride safe,
            Greg
            1980 XS1100-G [Fully Dressed]
            1982 CX500 Custom [Wife's "new" bike]
            1979 XL250-S

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            • #7
              I've always considered myself a biker. There is something that just gets in the blood and is there for the rest of your life. I gave up bike riding about a dozen years ago. The engine in my Guzzi was toast and I didn’t have the money to fix it. I sold my Z1 to fix my car and then I ended up working for Microsoft. I haven't turned wrenches for a living since.

              The years passed and there was always something missing. I bought a sports car along the way and that helped but it was a substitute at best.

              Last summer an old friend asked me to help him get an old Honda running. It was a boat anchor at best and in the process of scrounging up a bike for him, I bought a couple XS11s, then a couple more and another… The old addiction is back in full force. You can take the man off the bike but you can’t take the bike out of the man.

              Geezer
              Hi my name is Tony and I'm a bikeoholic.

              The old gray biker ain't what he used to be.

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              • #8
                I tend to agree with the Geezer.

                In my own perspective... a bike OWNER is someone who takes a casual interest in their motorcycle. They may pamper it, wash, wax and polish it and enjoy the hell out of a good ride.... BUT.... but when they are done... they can put it safely in the garage and go about their lives without it. They can go days, weeks or months at a time without giving their ride another thought. It tends to be just another plaything to occupy their time when the mood strikes them. They may do minor maintenance and repairs but will mostly have no intimate knowledge of their motorcycle. If it doesn't run right... they take it to the "shop" and let someone else fix it. When they DO ride... they usually dress the part and may even feel like a BIKER. Its more like "roleplay" than a "lifestyle". I tend to see this most in the HD owners. On the weekend.... they wear their leathers saying "Live to ride... Ride to Live" with other assorted HD logo'd apparel, put a bandana around their head thinking "to hell with sensability..... I'm a BIKER dammit.... I don't need a "brain bucket". "..... and head off to the open road. When they return... they feel refreshed.... invigorated.... then put the cover back on the bike.... go inside... shower and change into their "regular" clothes.

                Some people claim that to be a BIKER.... you have to ride a HARLEY. They turn their noses up at "rice burners" and consider the HD to be the only REAL bike. They would not be caught dead riding a Suzuyamahondasaki.
                IMHO..... to be a REAL BIKER..... all it takes is two wheels and a motor and its all good. The bike doesn't have to have a particular sound.... or a particular look. It just has to go fast or cruise well.... or in the case of the almighty XS.... BOTH.

                On the other hand.... being a BIKER is definately a "lifestyle". It doesn't change when you put the bike away. When you are not riding.... you spend a great deal of time thinking about it. When you are not working on the bike.... you are thinking of what you are going to do to it next. You don't HAVE to change clothes to ride unless some apparel is warranted for a particular type of ride. Apparel is more a matter of comfort and convenience than it is displaying the proper "style".
                When it comes to the bike itself.... how it RUNS tends to mean more than how it LOOKS. A BIKER tends to KNOW his machine.... its temperament and personality. He instantly KNOWS when his bike is not feeling well. And... in this light.... tends to treat the bike and speak about it as if it were a living... breathing... being. They don't just OWN their bike.... they have a RELATIONSHIP with it. They pride themselves on knowing what makes their machine tick or at least make every attempt to do so. They know what their ride LIKES and DISLIKES and how to get the most out of a ride. When they are on their bike... it is not simply a case of a man on a machine... it is something nearly symbiotic. A BIKER considers their machine to be a part of their lives.... and not just another piece of property. They don't own a bike because it is "trendy".... they simply love to ride the darned things.

                Nuff said. LOL
                1978 XS1100E "Flashback"

                "If at first you don't succeed.... Get a bigger hammer."

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                • #9
                  In 1983 I sold my Honda750F and bought my daily driver for the next 18 years, a 1984 Jeep CJ7. I missed bikes since then, but I love the CJ, and with the windshield down, it is almost like a bike, at least with the bugs in the face. With the purchase of the XS, I feel full circle and consider myself a jeepabikeaholic, or equally a bikeajeepaholic, with a little weaponry on the side. The CJ now only has 94,000 on it and I also have a 98 5.9 Grand Cherokee (9 mpg).

                  What is a biker?

                  I told the story in an earlier thread of being on the side of the interstate on my Z1, with the hard core Harley guys pulling up and loading the bike and me in their van and toting us around looking for a shop that was open. These guys had the essence of biker, not just being the Harley guys, but stopping what they were doing, and helping a fellow two wheeler in a time of need, brand names irrelevant.

                  In the choice of bike or jeep I would be had pressed to make the decision, but the weather is turning great, isn't it?
                  '81 XS11 Midnight Special

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                  • #10
                    I've always been kinda lucky, I got my license in the South and have been able to ride year-round. For the longest time, I would brave through the winters (mild to most of you at worst, usually above 15 degrees F) and wonder if I was the only person that owned a bike - at least until it warmed up. Then all of a sudden, you coudn't ride 2 miles without seeing a person on bike, sometimes in shorts or whatever. I would think to myself, those aren't real bikers, they probably even own cars and would drive their boxes in the rain.

                    Later on, I got myself an old Toyota and started driving that when it got cold and when it rained, I felt like a zombie, but at least I wouldn't arrive with blue hands and take an hour to be able to write. Now, I see those bikers and people on bikes and am glad because it might make car drivers more aware of motorcyclists.

                    One week, my brother from Michigan was visiting and we went out for a ride...well...I only made it about 1/8th of a mile before losing control at 30mph, started bailing process, started to recover, tried to get back on, and slammed head and shoulder first into a brick mailbox.

                    The first thing I asked the orthopedic surgeon after he explained that I had shattered my socket and ball, broke my shoulderblade into 4 pieces, and broken my collerbone in half was "Doc, when can I ride again?"

                    After about 2 months, I was able to drive my car with both hands and could go over 6 hours without percocet and vicodin. It was time for me to hop on my other brother's bike (he actually gave it to me after the accident, but I still considered it his) and take it down to the end of the road and back...end of the road turned into just one more mile, then another, then another, etc

                    I tell you what, that was the most intense feeling I had as I sat down on that bike.
                    Last edited by Snow; 06-04-2003, 07:45 AM.
                    1979 XS11F Standard - Maya - 1196cc (out of order)
                    1978 XS11E Standard - Nina - 1101cc
                    http://www.livejournal.com/~xs11

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Snow
                      I've always been kinda lucky, I got my license in the South and have been able to ride year-round. For the longest time, I would brave through the winters (mild to most of you at worst, usually above 15 degrees F) and wonder if I was the only person that owned a bike - at least until it warmed up.
                      I live in the upper midwest. Chicago suburbs. Winters here are as bad as they get. This post reminds of this old timer that used to ride his (whatever kind of bike it was with side car in the winter) year round. Snow on the ground, ice, cold driving rain, it didnt matter he was on that bike to and from work every day. He my friends was a real biker! This memory goes back 20 or 25 years. I never had the oppurtunity to meet that man. But I am sure he would have been a very interesting person.
                      97 Vmax, 88 Corvette convertible, 82 XJ100 gone to a new owner (sellers remorse is a horible thing)

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                      • #12
                        I put more miles a year on my bike than on my car. Does this make me a biker?

                        Grew up on sports cars, mostly Austin-Healy but had a Sunbeam Alpine in the mix. Daily driver is my recently acquired 1976 Scout II 4x4, having sold both my Toyota 4x4 trucks this last year. Scout needs a lot of work, but last week I did use it to pull my 14 foot flatbed trailer loaded with all my garage stuff, including the XJ, about 600 miles from prescott, Arizona to Rifle, Colorado. (Family car is a '96 Jeep Grand Cherokee the wife picked out.)

                        Have upgraded the Scout steering from the original 21 to 1 Saginaw box to a much faster 14 to 1 Saginaw option. Would recommend this for Jeep owners who run the Saginaw box.

                        Much as I like my 4x4s, there is nothing like getting on the bike for a spin, short or long. I used the XJ for scouting trips to find a place to live, have put on about 2,600 miles in the last 2 weeks, mostly trips between AZ and CO. Locally, now that the moving truck is unloaded, I have a lot of new roads to explorewith the XJ and Scout. Looking forward to it!
                        Jerry Fields
                        '82 XJ 'Sojourn'
                        '06 Concours
                        My Galleries Page.
                        My Blog Page.
                        "... life is just a honky-tonk show." Cherry Poppin' Daddy Strut

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                        • #13
                          BIKER OR BIKE OWNER????

                          I was going to answer this question... but... then... I thought...


                          WHO CARES WHAT ANYONE ELSE THINKS??? I RIDE FOR: ME.
                          '80 XS1100 SG <== now parting post 45mph wreck

                          '79 Jeep CJ7, my other lover and drain of cash...

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                          • #14
                            ditto on Sam. my opinion that the most beautiful thing about this sport is one thing that I read once. That there is a motorcycle out there for any skill set and any style. You can be a commuter or a weekend putter. You can travel across the country or just down the street. Whatever towards your liking.

                            Regardless, of where you fit in to this, you are getting some taste of the freedom we share, along with taking some kind of risk. I try not to judge or be judged when pondering what makes anyone a "real" rider.

                            This is a good thread. I enjoyed some of the stories above.

                            Thanks for sharing.

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                            • #15
                              You know, I thought about this while I was gone (in MN fishin') and I ain't sure just exactly where I fit in. All I know is as soon as I got back It wasn't too long before I was gettin' my fix on ole Battle Cat!!!!!!!! I know I'm not a Harley type nor a Gold Winger either. I did get my kicks on the old brit bikes in the 70's tho. To be quite honest I feel sorta guilty for riding a JAP bike. I still won't buy anything made by Mitsubishi cause they made the Zeros in WWII . Calling me a hypocrite would be more correct I guess cause that's more what it looks to be than anything else. If anyone on earth ever built a bike that fits to my personal desires more than a XS1100 Special (or possibly a V-Max) it has certainly passed me by!! I guess you can call me a JAP-BIKE RIDER Garry
                              Garry
                              '79 SF "Battle Cat"
                              outbackweld@charter.net

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