The dreaded PO strikes again

[DGXSER]

Well, it was not THAT bad, but... I started changin the oil today and got new filter and oil in, checked the middle drive oil for S&Gs since the PO assured me he had just changed all of the oils in the bike. Middle looked fine, but final drive oil looked like it was run though a coal mine, very dark for hypoid gear oil with less than 1,000 miles on it. So, NOW it has new oil in all the drives and the engine.

Next time I got to figure a better way of doing the final drive though. First time out after was "interesting" turning with oil spots on your rear wheel.

[DiverRay]

Next time I got to figure a better way of doing the final drive though. First time out after was "interesting" turning with oil spots on your rear wheel.

That is the reason for a drain pan and 2X4's! Prop the drain pan on the lumber, and the rim will be under the drain plug! NO DRIPS. (excluding PO's)
I almost ALWAYS change ALL fluids on a "new" purchase. I then KNOW when the last change was done, and if it was done correctly.

[DGXSER]

Speaking of correctly, I hope the order for the filter is load the filter in then the spring on top of the filter, then bolt it up, so the spring is on top of the filter on the bike??

[XSPastor]

Uh... nope

The spring goes on the bottom of the filter as it rides in the bike but there's a washer between the spring and the filter as well.

[GARTHXS]

i guess you will be the new po

Spring first then filter, it holds the filter up.

[DGXSER]

Yeah, I just pulled the fiche up, saw that as well. No washer in mine and the spring was INSIDE the filter, pushed through the rubber seal. Now I know why.

Should have been smart enough to check the fiche BEFORE I reassembled it!! Some days I hate POs. Now to figure out how much of my new oil I am gonna lose pulling the filter, and what size washer to get!

[rpgoerlich]

Should go in like this:

[bikerphil]

and what size washer to get

ID: 20mm
OD: 30mm
Thickness: 1mm

[DGXSER]

Thanks Phil!!

I will have to search the local hardware shops tomorrow or hopefully not have to go to the yamarobbers to get it.

[bikerphil]

Yep, I once found one 19X30 mm and just had to file the inside down a bit to make it fit over the oil filter bolt. Sometimes the washer sticks to the filter when removing and inadvertently gets thrown away.

[Rasputin]

Our local Yamaha stocks them and I think they charged me $2.35 for it.

[cajun31]

Just drain the oil in a clean pan and reuse it. Don't get sloppy and you shouldn't lose enough to worry about.

[John]

Yeah, I just pulled the fiche up, saw that as well. No washer in mine and the spring was INSIDE the filter, pushed through the rubber seal. Now I know why.

Should have been smart enough to check the fiche BEFORE I reassembled it!! Some days I hate POs. Now to figure out how much of my new oil I am gonna lose pulling the filter, and what size washer to get!

One way to keep things clean is to drill and thread a 1/4 pipe thread into the filter cup just behind the the filter bolt. That is once you already have it off. You will also need to remove some of the cooling fin that resides right there. The cup itself is quite thick right there. With that done, you can use any 1/4 hex head pipe plug and teflon tape on the threads. Now when it's time to change oil again, you just remove the plug, drain the filter cup, then remove it. No spilled oil all over the cup and your hands. I did this to mine years ago, and I've never had any problems with the plug getting loose or siezing.

[TopCatGr58]

It's probably too late, but you don't have to drain the entire pan to get the filter cup off. Just drop the cup, it holds about 1/2 quart. The rest will still be in the main pan. The oil pump pulls it up from the pan and into the filter thru that nice 1/2" hole in the back of the chamber.
T.C.

[DGXSER]

Since I did not know if the oil level is above the lip of the filter cup or not, and did not see that post TC until after I had typed this originally, thanks for the effort though. I used a pump gun I bought years ago for adding fluid to the differential on my race car to suck the oil out of the pan and just put it back in the quarts. Then I used a clean tupperware to catch what ran out when I pulled the filter cup (thank goodness SWMBO won't ever see this, I cleaned it good with lysol kitchen cleaner!).

I stopped at the local Yamadog and they to wanted $2.65 and had to order the washer, so I went to their service shop, the guy back there found a washer about the size that Phil found and gave it to me. Right OD and thickness, little small on the ID. A little dremel work later, and I now have a filter washer and the filter installed correctly. Thanks for all the ideas and guidance!! And John, That is a great idea, especially since the fins were broke off just behind the filter bolt already. Next oil change, that will be up for consideration.

Interestingly enough the issue of an oil change came up in another discussion, it was suggested how easy an oil change is, I warned the person not to be so quick about how easy. Ain't it funny how such a simple thing turns into such a symphony of struggles when you insert some goof that ignored the washer previously. I did wonder how the heck the spring got inside the filter and what it was supposed to do there. To my defense, I had never had it off before so I had no idea what it should have been like. Whoever installed it without the washer had to have seen it come out the right way. But hey, I went back in and fixed it, instead of just blowing it off till the next time, or leave it for someone else to deal with.

Ohh and Garth "i guess you will be the new po"....You cut me man....You cut me deep right there.