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  • 2 Strokes, Old Verses New Technology

    Before advances in 2 stroke technology :


    After advances in 2 stroke technology :


    "We are often so caught up in our destination that we forget to appreciate the journey." "

  • #2
    Do I need to ask if the "new" models will still run after being "dropped" ten times?!?!
    I KNOW the "old" two stroke is a pick it up and ride bike, but I'm not sure about the new one with the radiator and all....
    Ray Matteis
    KE6NHG
    XS1100 E '78 (winter project)
    XS1100 SF Bob Jones worked on it!

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    • #3
      Also, note the advances in building technology over time.
      Simple wooden wall...
      Simple bare brickwork...
      Advanced painted cinderblock.
      "Damn it Jim, I'm a doctor, not a mechanic!' ('Bones' McCoy)

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      • #4
        Also, note the advances in building technology over time.
        Grass... concrete.. asphalt that is starting to return once again to grass...
        Try your hardest to be the kind of person your dog thinks you are.

        You can live to be 100, as long as you give up everything that would make you want to live to be 100!

        Current bikes:
        '06 Suzuki DR650
        *'82 XJ1100 with the 1179 kit. "Mad Maxim"
        '82 XJ1100 Completely stock fixer-upper
        '82 XJ1100 Bagger fixer-upper
        '82 XJ1100 Motor/frame and lots of boxes of parts
        '82 XJ1100 Parts bike
        '81 XS1100 Special
        '81 YZ250
        '80 XS850 Special
        '80 XR100
        *Crashed/Totalled, still own

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        • #5
          But do they all still have that 'wing ding ding ding' sound?
          Mike Giroir
          79 XS-1100 Special

          Once you un-can a can of worms, the only way to re-can them is with a bigger can.

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          • #6
            All that "advanced" technolgy and you don't even get a kickstand!!!
            When a 10 isn't enough, get a 11. 80g Hardbagger

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            • #7
              And they still run spoked wheels!
              Ernie
              79XS1100SF (no longer naked, now a bagger)
              (Improving with age, the bike that is)

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              • #8
                Must be some sort of conspiracy....
                Ich habe dich nicht gefragt.

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                • #9
                  At least they make the seats go up over the tanks now. That's where you need to be for the good fast tight turns.


                  Tod
                  Try your hardest to be the kind of person your dog thinks you are.

                  You can live to be 100, as long as you give up everything that would make you want to live to be 100!

                  Current bikes:
                  '06 Suzuki DR650
                  *'82 XJ1100 with the 1179 kit. "Mad Maxim"
                  '82 XJ1100 Completely stock fixer-upper
                  '82 XJ1100 Bagger fixer-upper
                  '82 XJ1100 Motor/frame and lots of boxes of parts
                  '82 XJ1100 Parts bike
                  '81 XS1100 Special
                  '81 YZ250
                  '80 XS850 Special
                  '80 XR100
                  *Crashed/Totalled, still own

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                  • #10
                    The first bike you could work on with a pocket full of tools...

                    The second two look like you would need a complete diagnostic center...
                    RIP Whiskers (Shop Boss) 25+yrs

                    "It doesn't hurt until you find out no one is looking"

                    Everything on hold...

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                    • #11
                      I'll take a old two stroke over any new two stroke anytime.

                      Water cooled! Come on! You've got to be kidding.
                      What next, no oil and gas mix two stroke?
                      Chris

                      79 XS1100 Standard aka: Mutt
                      87 Honda TRX350D 4X4: Old Blue!
                      93 NewYorker Salon: Sleeper...
                      71 RoadRunner 440 Magnum: Mean Green!
                      69 Charger 440 Magnum: Pleasure Ride!

                      Gimme Fuel Gimme Fire!

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                      • #12
                        Water cooled two strokes are not new....I remember hearing about a Suzuki 750cc triple water cooled two stroke, the "Water Buffalo" as I remember. I think someone else made a liquid cooled two stroke, can't remember who though. at least that's what I remember. have a nice day and ride safe
                        I am the Lorax, I speak for the Trees

                        '80 XS1100 SG (It's Evil, Wicked, Mean & Nasty)

                        '79 XS1100 F R (IL Barrachino)

                        '00 Suzuki Intruder 1400 (La Soccola)

                        '77 KZ400s (La Putana)

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                        • #13
                          Water cooled two strokes are not new....
                          My '81 YZ250 is the last year that Yamaha did the air cooled on the two stroke dirt bikes. I really don't understand why the water cooled was needed. I had the same year YZ250 while I lived in Vegas, and a buddy had bigger 460 and 490cc bikes. We'd ride them HARD HARD HARD including slow moving hill climbing in 115+ degree weather. We never experienced any problems from heat issues in the motors or with pre-ignition of the fuel.

                          BUT.. a bike that will consistently run at 210 degrees or whatever the liquid cooled motors run at, would be much easier to tune and be more.. well.. consistent on the performance.

                          Tod
                          Try your hardest to be the kind of person your dog thinks you are.

                          You can live to be 100, as long as you give up everything that would make you want to live to be 100!

                          Current bikes:
                          '06 Suzuki DR650
                          *'82 XJ1100 with the 1179 kit. "Mad Maxim"
                          '82 XJ1100 Completely stock fixer-upper
                          '82 XJ1100 Bagger fixer-upper
                          '82 XJ1100 Motor/frame and lots of boxes of parts
                          '82 XJ1100 Parts bike
                          '81 XS1100 Special
                          '81 YZ250
                          '80 XS850 Special
                          '80 XR100
                          *Crashed/Totalled, still own

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by trbig View Post
                            I really don't understand why the water cooled was needed.

                            Tod
                            As the sport of motorcross gained popularity, faster and more reliable machines were needed to gain the performance edge over the competitors. Not only does a water cooled engine run at a more consistant temperature, it is also easier to keep it at that cool temp. because the radiator is mounted higher, has better air flow, is sheilded from mud (a great insolater) , and has a larger surface area for cooling than an air cooled engine does. That's why the jump was made to water cooled engines, and if that urks you in a bad way just wait, fuel injection is already on its way through the door!!

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                            • #15
                              Well in the lawn care business we are running 4 cycle engines with two cycle mix.They are more powerfull than the two cycles,require more maintaince but are epa compliant...I am sure motorcyles are headed this way.
                              '80 XS1100 SG
                              Don't let the good times pass you by..grab all you can
                              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_Z4cjUlIo4

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