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  • I need help, I really do!

    Yeah, yeah, yeah...
    "We've all known that for years!"
    Not that kind of help.
    I have a legitimate non-mental health problem here.
    "Help... I can't turn my TV off!"
    Now, I know to some of you, this may not seem to be as much of a problem as if I had said, "Help, I can't turn my TV on", but for me it's quite troublesome.
    Sure, I only have basic cable...
    Sure, I often debate cancelling the whole thing anyway, except that I know, just as soon as I cancel, there will be a world-wide calamity and I wouldn't be able to tune-in and find the location of the nearest refugee center. (Plus, I secretly revel in watching the misery of others, as you well know, so I begrudgingly pay my cable bill just to laugh at the misfortune of the masses)
    Anyway.. I can't turn the damned thing off!
    As you also well know, I'm a frugal and misery bastard. Some people would actually call me cheap, but I prefer the terms frugal and miserly, because I do cross word puzzles and actually know word meanings and stuff like that.
    But it was this very frugal-ness that now brings my downfall.
    This TV was on sale at the PX. It was rather big(by my modest standards)and seemed a good deal at the time.
    "Why was it so inexpensive?", you ask.
    Because some boob at the store broke off and lost the on/off button.
    Now, being a deep, rational thinker, like most of us XS owners are, I reasoned thusly: When was the last time anyone ever pried their fat carcass out of the couch, waddled across the living room and pressed a little button to turn off the "Brain Drain"?
    Didn't God make "remotes" for that?
    Yes he did... and purchase the TV I did. (based upon my faith in the Almighty)
    The TV(and the remote) have served me well for many years. Many's the time that I have sat glued in front of it during my lunch hour, eating my Ramon Noodles and watching Maury's "Who Be The Baby Daddy" Marathons... but no more.
    My remote has died... and not in a good way, either.
    Yes, I know the first aid routine... Take out the batteries, turn them and try again, but this life saving measure failed me.
    Even new AA's failed me.
    What taunts me so, and keeps me from having nice dreams at night, is that the remote isn't completely dead... just playing possum, (though it doesn't have pointy teeth and look like it's smiling, like a possum on the shoulder of the road playing possum or actually playing squashed and dead).
    I can raise and lower the volume at will... I can even press that little button on the top/right to turn on my DVD player to watch Porn DVD's, but I can't change the channel nor turn the TV off.
    To some, this might not seem so bad, but I'm stuck here on channel 22, and depending on the hour, it's either the shopping network of a bevy of TV evangelists, and as those Jehovah's Witnesses who came to my door early Saturday morning last found out, I'm not particularly fond of letting preachy people into my abode, be it through the door or through coaxial cable. (I don't like them on my porch much, either) They thought they were being smart... the parents would stand on the sidewalk and send their little girl up to ring my bell. (And ring my bell she did!)
    I invited her in, but told the parents that they'd have to wait outside and I'd return her in about an hour. They only send men to my house now. I feel much more free and at ease swearing at men than I do cussin' and foamin' at women and children.
    Anyway.. where was I?
    Oh yeah,
    "Help, I can't turn my TV off!"
    Yes, I've had the thing apart. You knew I would.
    Circuit board, IR Led, and a rubber mat with buttons.
    Here's what I know so far...
    The area of the on'off button on the circuit board isn't pressure sensitive. I've pressed it with various fingers and nothing happened.
    Ok, maybe that squiggle of printed circuit needs to be shorted by metal of some sort, So I tried the "ol' butter knife trick" to no avail.
    I next layed the rubber button mat back over the circuit, pointed in the direction of the TV and pressed the button.
    "Blink"... and then the little shrinking circle of light that I had prayed for the last few days appeared.
    So, what I want to know is.... why, when I press a little piece of black greasy rubber button onto a squiggly circuit the TV turns off, but not when I press my greasy thumb, or short it with equally greasy kitchen utensiles?
    So, I'm sorry if I've misled you electrical genius'.
    Yes, I can turn my TV off and yes, I can even now change the channels but I really don't want to have my remote torn apart to be able to do this. One of these day, the dogs will discover the black rubber button mat sitting unguarded on the coffee table and then where will I be?
    So, can anyone tell me just how these things work?
    And don't write and tell me to just buy a new remote.
    Remember, I'm a cheap... I mean, frugal and miserly old cuss.

    (If this is how my New Year is starting... we're all in trouble!)
    Last edited by prometheus578; 01-02-2008, 10:24 AM.
    "Damn it Jim, I'm a doctor, not a mechanic!' ('Bones' McCoy)

  • #2
    The inside of the button has a conductive pad on it which provides continuity to the circuit board traces it lays on. Any of the buttons should work on that one pad. If you look at the circuit board where the pad goes you'll see 2 "halves" where the traces intertwine but don't touch. The button closes the circuit.

    Over time the conductive surface on the underside of the button can get all grimed up (usually with finger funk that goes through the pad) or on a really old remote get worn off entirely.

    I've even had remotes that got so full of funk (fell in a glass of cola) that I had to take them apart and scrub the circuit board with alcohol and a toothbrush to make it work right again. Circuit boards are a lot tougher than many give credit for.

    I'm surprised that a bare metal piece isn't working. All it really is is a switch. I had a remote for a couple of years that I had to use a paper clip to activate the "menu" button on.

    Maybe you weren't holding your nose right when you tried it.
    80 XS1100SG
    81 XS400SH

    Some men miss opportunity because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work. - Thomas Edison

    A Few Animations I've Made

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    • #3
      Prom
      I am suprised that it also hasn't happened to your cordless phone as well from all the heavy breathing calls.
      It usually happens to phones and remotes and as JW said, if you have it apart clean it with alchol ( the rubbing kind ), both the rubber part and the circuit board, put it back together and it should be good for another couple of years.
      Barring that a cheap universal remote can easily be programmed to run your TV.
      Oh yes and wash your hands before or at least after you're finished
      Ed

      78/82 XS/XJ mostly made up of parts bikes
      XS1100 SG 1980 Will restore to original over time

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      • #4
        "Now ain't that a fine how do ya do?"

        Had some rubbing alcohol out in the garage, for reasons long lost to me. Cleaning "8 track tape" deck heads, perchance?
        Anyway, to make a long story short... (And you know how I hate doing that) I am pleased to announce that your stated remedy worked.
        I have always been amazed at the magical properties of alcohol, whether it's to clean up electrical things, or to improve my driving skills coming home from local bars.
        I can now turn the TV OFF, as well as, ON.
        To celebrate, I ran through the channels, scanning... for what passes in mediocre minds as entertainment.
        I found none... even by common standards.
        "Oh joy, and heavenly bliss!" I was able to turn it off again.

        I would like to thank you gentlemen.
        You both have pleased me and you know how important that is to you.

        Mr. Money: I made a "drool guard" using saran wrap and a rubber band. The saran wrap guard also helps by disguising my voice a little too, so that's an extra benefit. (I have one woman whom I frequently call who refers to me as her "Little Breathless
        Darth Vader")

        J.W.: I, too, was surprised when the metal object didn't work. Even tried a balled up wad of aluminum foil, thinking that maybe I didn't get the right contact patch with the knife. No Go, too.
        Odd, the backs of the button pads don't look like they're covered in anything conductive.
        Either way(or anyway), the thing now works.
        All is right in my world once again.
        I am no longer grumpy and crabby.. but shall now resume my role as XS11.com's resident "Pompous Ass".
        I pass on to both of you... my blessings.
        "Damn it Jim, I'm a doctor, not a mechanic!' ('Bones' McCoy)

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        • #5
          alcohol and tv, just say no

          Hey Prom,
          Could a saved ya the trouble of fiddling with it...
          Tie a string to to the long thin black thingy that attaches the tv to the wall. Make string long enough to reach your preferred place of parking your @33. When you want the tv off just pull string and tv will go out.
          Much better than getting the clapper.
          As a bonus you wouldn't ever have to go to the free clinic again and it's silent too


          mro

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          • #6
            "MRO... I know of which you speak..."

            ...having once had "the clapper" when stationed overseas.

            It wasn't so much the issue of TV on or TV off... as it was the madness of having a stubborn remote that I couldn't bend to my will.
            I simply will not have in my house anything that is quite capable, yet still refuses to work!
            (I make an exception concerning my oldest son)

            Shut up, MRO, I know what you're gonna say next!
            Ok, I make an exception for myself, too.
            There... you happy?

            Enjoy the New Year... while you still can.
            "Damn it Jim, I'm a doctor, not a mechanic!' ('Bones' McCoy)

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            • #7
              I realize being frugal (Cheap Bas%$rd) and all... but it seems you spent the better part of a day trying to figure out the remote. How much an hour did you USED to make? And how much do you figure your time was worth to fix it? Wally World has universal remotes for @ $10.

              Maybe the sales people at the store had problems with it also and started using those "Aussie Remotes" like the Fosters commercials..... throwing stuff at the on/off button?


              Tod
              Try your hardest to be the kind of person your dog thinks you are.

              You can live to be 100, as long as you give up everything that would make you want to live to be 100!

              Current bikes:
              '06 Suzuki DR650
              *'82 XJ1100 with the 1179 kit. "Mad Maxim"
              '82 XJ1100 Completely stock fixer-upper
              '82 XJ1100 Bagger fixer-upper
              '82 XJ1100 Motor/frame and lots of boxes of parts
              '82 XJ1100 Parts bike
              '81 XS1100 Special
              '81 YZ250
              '80 XS850 Special
              '80 XR100
              *Crashed/Totalled, still own

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              • #8
                Originally posted by trbig
                I realize being frugal (Cheap Bas%$rd) and all... but it seems you spent the better part of a day trying to figure out the remote. How much an hour did you USED to make? And how much do you figure your time was worth to fix it? Wally World has universal remotes for @ $10.

                Maybe the sales people at the store had problems with it also and started using those "Aussie Remotes" like the Fosters commercials..... throwing stuff at the on/off button?


                Tod
                Hey the last time he bought a remote it was problably made in the USA...thats why its still working ...LOLJust gives new meaning to the phrase "frugal"...Wally world is CRAP...you wanna be really frugal???Just try buying American these days...you'll be saving plenty cuz nothin'is American any more...Heck thats part of the reason we ride 25 to 30 year old motorcycles...
                1980 XS650G Special-Two
                1993 Honda ST1100

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                • #9
                  I don't know if my remote works...

                  and don't care.
                  Last time I bought a TV was about 1983.
                  Pretty sure it was plugged in a few years ago.
                  Time been flying by...might have been 5 or 6 years ago.
                  If not for the wife/kids would not have had em at all.

                  Beginning Feb. 18, 2009, anyone who does not own a digital set and still gets their programming via over-the-air antennas will no longer receive a picture.
                  Looks like if I ever change my mind about "TV" I'll need to get a new remote and a boob box too


                  mro

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                  • #10
                    clean the contact points of the mat and circuit board with isopropyl alc. (rubbing alc. for you old schoolers)....let dry then put in fresh batteries and voila.....after numerous contacts with the butyl rubber/graphite pad there will be a thin layer of corrosion not allowing the circuit to close when the pad makes contact.....from experience if that doesn't work put the T.V. on ebay.....JAT
                    MDRNF
                    79F.....Not Stock
                    80G......Not Stock Either....In the works

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                    • #11
                      "The wages of sin..."

                      TRBIG: I'm pleased to report that, as of the first of the year, minimum wage in Wa. state has jumped from $7.93 to $8.07.
                      You may wish to move here and seek employment... just be aware that this might put you in to the next higher tax bracket come April 15th.
                      Also be aware that one is allowed to type the word "bastard" here at XS11. One just can't use the term for name calling, and such. To describe someone as a "Cheap Bastard" is acceptable and oft' times viewed as a term of endearment. To use the word "bastard" when questioning someone's parentage, though probably truthful, is not allowed.
                      Wally World: I won't go into the moral economics of using cheap slave labor to enhance our capitalist consumerism. Shopping trips to Walmart should be viewed with the same mindset as watching a National Geographic Special on TV. It can be both highly amusing, or tragically thought provoking.
                      Walmart: A great place to shop... and a convenient site for college students studying Genetics or Cultural Anthropology to conduct field research.
                      "Damn it Jim, I'm a doctor, not a mechanic!' ('Bones' McCoy)

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                      • #12
                        I hardly get any use out of my TV anymore either. Most times I have it on so I can have some background noise. Despite myself, I still have to get a little cartoon network in every now and then, too. Anime is a weakness of mine. Like kryptonite, only weirder. Been watching more G4 here lately, too. It appeals to the geek in me.

                        I stopped watching network TV sometime in the mid 90's. It's all so much rehashed crap....not even worth the trouble. What times I've been forced to watch it (at someone else's house) I've always felt like I was watching the same show over and over again. I have this forlorn hope that the writers strike will last indefinately, and masses of people will wake up and realize there's something more out there than the idiot box. Yeah, wishful thinking, I know.

                        I have to admit though, I am toying around with the idea of getting one of those nice 46"-50" LCD's that have gotten so much cheaper here lately. Would make a really nice PC monitor for watching DVD's and such.
                        80 XS1100SG
                        81 XS400SH

                        Some men miss opportunity because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work. - Thomas Edison

                        A Few Animations I've Made

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                        • #13
                          "I, too, have been thinking about a big screen TV."

                          I've been using my forced unemployment/seasonal layoff to upgrade/ remodel the house.
                          I might as well "frugally" do the big screen TV thing while I'm at it.


                          "Damn it Jim, I'm a doctor, not a mechanic!' ('Bones' McCoy)

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                          • #14
                            Holey walls Bat Prom-man

                            Did mine over 10 years ago with a LCD screen.
                            Not as big as yours...
                            But provides all the info I need for a wall mounted screen
                            and it don't poke out the other side.



                            mro
                            btw, don't need a remote either

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                            • #15
                              "It has been brought to my attention..."

                              ... that I may have been insensitive toward the feelings of others.
                              "How can this be?" you ask. "Prometheus is one of the kindest, most humble, sincere...
                              never has a bad thing to say about anyone," etc.
                              Yet, the viewer mail continues to pour in.
                              "Stop being a HATER!"
                              "Go sign up for Sensitivity Training..."
                              "Save the Spotted Owl!"
                              I'm sorry, folks.... I wasn't the one that captioned that picture.
                              It said "Mexican FlatScreen" already. I didn't type that there.

                              Maybe my intention was to show that Mexicans are inventive.
                              Maybe my intention was to show that Mexicans are adaptable.
                              Maybe I had no intention at all other than to post a pic.
                              Either way...
                              I've taken the liberty to recaption the offensive photo.
                              This should appease everyone.
                              In my defense, one viewer pointed out that there are cacti on the bookshelf...
                              so maybe it actually is some Mexican's Flat Screen and he's damned proud.
                              We'll never know.
                              (Until I get a PM from him complaining how I've now denied him the credit he feels he's due.)
                              "Damn it Jim, I'm a doctor, not a mechanic!' ('Bones' McCoy)

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