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    Read this in the news.......
    Also possible is a model being tested in Oregon that taxes mileage rather than fuels. When motorists fill up, the pump takes a mileage reading and adds a per-mile fee to the gas purchase.
    I know that the two states to the north of CA CA land like to try to out Lib our CA "Demosnakes" but will you guys actually allow this.

    CA road/highway/bridge problems are a direct result of politicans stealing the gas tax money and spending it in ways voters would not allow a tax hike for. They call it borrowing, but they have never paid it back and there is nothing in there "borrowing law" that would make em pay it back.
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    Stolen from the net:
    The Right to Travel

    As the Supreme Court notes in Saenz v Roe, 98-97 (1999), the Constitution does not contain the word "travel" in any context, let alone an explicit right to travel (except for members of Congress, who are guaranteed the right to travel to and from Congress). The presumed right to travel, however, is firmly established in U.S. law and precedent. In U.S. v Guest, 383 U.S. 745 (1966), the Court noted, "It is a right that has been firmly established and repeatedly recognized." In fact, in Shapiro v Thompson, 394 U.S. 618 (1969), Justice Stewart noted in a concurring opinion that "it is a right broadly assertable against private interference as well as governmental action. Like the right of association, ... it is a virtually unconditional personal right, guaranteed by the Constitution to us all." It is interesting to note that the Articles of Confederation had an explicit right to travel; it is now thought that the right is so fundamental that the Framers may have thought it unnecessary to include it in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights.
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    So.....sometime in the future only the wealthy will be allowed to travel, working stiffs just won't be able to afford it and the politicans will put another nail in the feet of the poor.

    Is it just me that thinks our so called "political leaders" just can not and will never stop from taxing anything and everything they can? How long do you think it would take em before they start spending such a tax on programs you would never vote for or "EAR MARKS" .


    mro

  • #2
    I can't imagine that working well, it would be problematic unless they hooked up to the ODBII port and I don't think I have one, well I do on my car, and even then I would just probably lie about my mileage. Or start ordering gasoline in bulk with a tank at home.

    And you are right the politicians, regardless of party need to go, they are siphoning off the best America has to offer and leaving the rest of us the table scraps.
    1982 XJ1100
    1982 XJ650 (needs help)

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    • #3
      Mike

      You and I think so much alike on some things it's scary!

      I think it maybe time for another "Boston Tea Party" of sorts. The sad thinig is most people in the US are so gutless they wouldn't join the resistance. They'll just bend over to the likes of Hillary Clinton under the guise of "Paying their FAIR SHARE"..."For the Good of the whole..." and all that CRAP. Maybe that should be re-phrased "Good of the hole"...the black hole that is of and ever expanding government.

      Thanks for the heads up.

      Cody

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      • #4
        I don't see it. Hook up under the hood or where ever and then fill up your car??? makes no sense and the ladies would be in mess of trouble. Then there's the who's pays when something electrical happens to your car right after a fill up and the risk of sparks as you mess around with the connection. I just don't see it.
        Rob
        KEEP THE RUBBER SIDE DOWN

        1978 XS1100E Modified
        1978 XS500E
        1979 XS1100F Restored
        1980 XS1100 SG
        1981 Suzuki GS1100
        1983 Suzuki GS750S Katana
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        • #5
          I don't know about WA but in OR you're not allowed to pump your own gas. I guess the attendant could log your lic. plate # and mileage and submit it each day. You would be taxed once a year.
          Just how I could see it being done.
          Pat Kelly
          <p-lkelly@sbcglobal.net>

          1978 XS1100E (The Force)
          1980 XS1100LG (The Dark Side)
          2007 Dodge Ram 2500 quad-cab long-bed (Wifes ride)
          1999 Suburban (The Ship)
          1994 Dodge Spirit (Son #1)
          1968 F100 (Valentine)

          "No one is totally useless. They can always be used as a bad example"

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Pat Kelly
            I don't know about WA but in OR you're not allowed to pump your own gas. I guess the attendant could log your lic. plate # and mileage and submit it each day. You would be taxed once a year.
            Just how I could see it being done.
            Is that really true? Do they think that their motorists are 12 years old? I can only imagine how much overhead that tacks on to the price of a gallon....

            Whoever came up with that peice of crap law should be shot. No, actually, that's too kind....they need to be drawn and quartered.

            Then their peices parts ran through a field of cow sh*t. Then burnt.....then pissed on to put out the fire. Then maybe burnt again, and pissed on again...well, you get the idea.

            The audacity of such a proposal!! My god!!
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            81 XS400SH

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            • #7
              JW

              Are you really surprised? The people that are being elected to office are simply a reflection of the human debris that put them there in the first place.

              Like most of you I see this going nowhere....however it would be interesting to discover where this proposal originated. Hmmmm...I wonder if it can from the left or right side of the aisle.........

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              • #8
                Originally posted by JWSanders
                Is that really true? Do they think that their motorists are 12 years old?
                Actually, yes, it is against the law to pump your own gas in Oregon.

                SWMBO and I have run into that when we are travelling on the XSs. However, every place we did fill up let us hold the nozzle and control the fill. Most times, the attendant wanted to lift the nozzle off the pump, hand it to us, then place it back when done.

                Talking to one attendant, I was told this law is the result of a very powerful seniors lobby, so retired folks with little or no pension resources would always have a place they could pick up a bit of work. I don't know how true that is, but most of the gas jockeys we came across were in fact seniors.

                Any Oregonians out there to comment? Or would that be Oreganites?
                Ken Talbot

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                • #9
                  Any Oregonians out there to comment? Or would that be Oreganites?
                  You make it sound like it should "Organ-Donner's", maybe not such a bad idea...after all that's how we keep the XSes going


                  mro
                  btw, Here in CA CA land it's been "trotted out" in the news to see if it will "float" with the general public...wanting to tax drivers extra for driving in the city. Like the mileage tax this is another grand idea from yurup as well as cameras to monitor and ticket drivers. Recently read about Michigan? that has a $3,000.00 surcharge for "greaves traffic violations". It was touted as a public safety law. One of the judges there says that it does exactly the opposite, and makes low income people into criminals. When some politico tried to get the law dropped it was vetoed by the governor, said the state needed the money (no exaggeration)
                  Seldom do you get a turthful statement from a politician like that, but it does point out that goverment cares more about money than it does about it's citizens.

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                  • #10
                    Recently read about Michigan? that has a $3,000.00 surcharge for "greaves traffic violations". It was touted as a public safety law. One of the judges there says that it does exactly the opposite, and makes low income people into criminals. When some politico tried to get the law dropped it was vetoed by the governor, said the state needed the money (no exaggeration)
                    Isn't that Virginia? _(If not, I have some yelling to do.)

                    MI has started charging fines like that for DUI -- an extra tax when renewing your vehicles over the next three years, I beleive -- but we don't have the crazy fines for everyday stuff.

                    http://www.reason.com/blog/show/121748.html

                    Best part about the Virginia one is that the state lawmaker that proposed and got it passed stands to benefit greatly from it. He's a lawyer specializing in traffic
                    '78E

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                    • #11
                      Oregon? Yep that's right. But I heard it wasn't for seniors as much as for "juniors" needing a summer job.

                      It really doesn't matter what the stupid law is for. It is yet another example of the government micromanaging our lives in every way and every detail. And if we don;t comply they tax us under the guise of a fine.

                      "Don't DO THAT!" "You can't go that fast..." "Put on your seat belt!".... "WHERE'S YOUR HELMET BOY?" "You can't smoke that!...You can't eat that!" The government is worse than your mother...trying to protect you from every little thing that could ever go wrong. Personally I am sick of it and wish they would butt out.

                      Politicians are creative geniuses when it comes to implementing taxes. Speed tax...seat belt tax...helmet tax........

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                      • #12
                        Could not find the artical agin
                        in MI
                        Did find this:
                        A bill to repeal the $300 surcharge for failure to show proof of insurance has passed the Michigan House. The reform bill (House Bill 4308) repeals the $300 surcharge and all fines if a motorist proves to the court that insurance was in effect. The bill allows the court to charge $25 for the ticket. However, the bill also increases the surcharge for actually operating without insurance from $1,000 to $1,600. The surcharge is in addition to the fines and costs the court may impose, and another $40 mandatory state tax on all traffic convictions. So a driver convicted under the reform bill of driving without insurance would owe almost $2,000, and would still have to purchase insurance before resuming driving. In other words, the solution is worse than the problem it’s supposed to solve.

                        Pretty much police nation wide are but an extension of the taxation arm of goverment and they are now officially "revenue enhancement officers". Then the courts get in the act with "surcharges". Also noted that MI charges more for license/renewals if you have points ?
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                        I've heard from some of more "prominent politicians" that they "feel our pain". Would like that they do literally ,...fine the crap out of them.... the only thing they care about is money.

                        I got a ticket years ago here in CA CA land. Fine was to be several hundred dollars or you could go to traffic school, pay a fee of $20.00 to the court clerk and no ticket on your record. Some time later this was changed, you now have to pay the full fine plus surcharge and go to traffic school.

                        Wonder if a politican could get ellected if he campained on a platform of ways to save citizens money instead of ways to spend and get more from them?


                        mro

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                        • #13
                          I've heard nothing concerning that mileage tax here in Wa.

                          I'm still thinking over Maximan's statement
                          The people that are being elected to office are simply a reflection of the human debris that put them there in the first place.
                          That's rather profound(and true)
                          "Damn it Jim, I'm a doctor, not a mechanic!' ('Bones' McCoy)

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                          • #14
                            Filling you own gas is a recent thing. I'll bet several on here remember when the 'attendant' filled your gas, washed the windshield, checked your oil and air, and it was just part of the 'service' of the 'service station'. I even remember my parents getting dinner plates and silverware for getting gas at certain stations. Gas was .35 cents a gallon too.
                            Now you become appalled that you are told that you can't pump your own gas? Back when the attendant (gas jockey) pumped it you'd probably complain that he took too long. If you pumped your own, the ststion owner would probably be suspicious you were trying to steal gas.
                            When it's -10 degrees outside I don't mind someone else pumping the gas, I have to do it myself here at home.
                            As far as taxing per mile, that shifts the tax burden (from gas) to travellers, or those that can afford to travel. It would make it easier for the local poor people to keep a bit of change in their pocket (for beer or meth). OR dosen't have sales tax so gas only has federal tax on fuel, and they pump your gas for you.
                            Pat Kelly
                            <p-lkelly@sbcglobal.net>

                            1978 XS1100E (The Force)
                            1980 XS1100LG (The Dark Side)
                            2007 Dodge Ram 2500 quad-cab long-bed (Wifes ride)
                            1999 Suburban (The Ship)
                            1994 Dodge Spirit (Son #1)
                            1968 F100 (Valentine)

                            "No one is totally useless. They can always be used as a bad example"

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Pat Kelly

                              As far as taxing per mile, that shifts the tax burden (from gas) to travellers, or those that can afford to travel.
                              Is that fair? Just because one can "afford" to travel they should be taxed? I don't think that is what you are sayng...at least I hope not.

                              Wealth envy in America is rampant and I for one am sick of politicians (guess who ) stirring the pot of class warfare. There is a reason the "haves" have and the "have nots" have not.

                              Of course like I said before...the prescribe politicians are only a reflection of the "crap" that voted them into office to begin with.

                              What ever happened to independence...self reliance...and personal freedom. The People of the USA (for the most part) don't really want to be free. They want government to be their "daddy" providing them with cradle to grave care and protecting them from every imaginable thing under the sun. They think that a "free nation" is one whereby healthcare is FREE!

                              We are a rapidly turning into a socialist state...I think I'll go vomit now...
                              Last edited by MAXIMAN; 08-17-2007, 01:50 PM.

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