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    Motion Pro Tool Sucks

    Well, Took Miyami apart to change the cam chain, clean and inspect, YadaYadaYada. Got her put back together and realized that I mis-calculated one of my measurments on Cyl#4 exaust. Went to the tool box and got my trusty-always-there-when-I- don't-need-it Motion Pro tool to do the shim swap. I've already did the modification to the tool. Absolutly no way the bucket will push down. Keeps slipping off onto the head itself. Well, I say, Lets just modify it again. No such luck. The little tab does not like to get hit with a hammer. It will move away to sights unseen across the world of garagville to never be seen again. Needless to say, Gotta do it the hard way and loosen the cam What a pain in the butt. Done deal. New chain feels good. Valve adjustment is as close to perfect as she's gonna get ( within .03mm )
    Now just to get the rest of her put back together. If anyone want's a broken Motion Pro valve tool, PM me with an addy and you can have the pos. Mabee a small bead welded on the tip and ground down might help but I've lost faith in worthless tools.
    S.R.Czekus

    1-Project SG (Ugly Rat Bike)(URB)
    1-big XS patch
    1-small XS/XJ patch
    1-XS/XJ owners pin.
    1-really cool XS/XJ owners sticker on my helmet.
    2-2005 XS rally T-shirts, (Bean Blossom, In)
    1-XVS1300C Yamaha Stryker Custom (Mosquito)
    1-VN900C Kawasaki Custom (Jelly Bean)

    Just do it !!!!!
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  • #2
    Hi Czekus21

    Mine works.
    Maybe not the greatest tool but gets the job done.

    If you want I can see if I can fix yours.
    You'll need to pay freight both ways tho...


    mro

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    • #3
      I've got one, modified it, but have never used it yet. I always use the Kawasuzkihonda tool. Looks like a big "W". Turn cam till lobe holds bucket down, insert tool. Cam gets cradled in one of the arms of the "W", and one of the "W"'s points on the bottom holds the bucket down when you rotate the lobe away. Not perfect, but it suffices.
      "Damn it Jim, I'm a doctor, not a mechanic!' ('Bones' McCoy)

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      • #4
        Got a taker for the tool. I've used this tool before and it worked kinda OK. That's with the modification ( search previous post's about tool. Aprox 2 years ago ) Mabee TC can fix this problem once and for all.
        S.R.Czekus

        1-Project SG (Ugly Rat Bike)(URB)
        1-big XS patch
        1-small XS/XJ patch
        1-XS/XJ owners pin.
        1-really cool XS/XJ owners sticker on my helmet.
        2-2005 XS rally T-shirts, (Bean Blossom, In)
        1-XVS1300C Yamaha Stryker Custom (Mosquito)
        1-VN900C Kawasaki Custom (Jelly Bean)

        Just do it !!!!!

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        • #5
          K&L Supply #35-3457

          Yeah, fer Kawa KZ750 twins, KZ900/1000/1100/1300

          "Damn it Jim, I'm a doctor, not a mechanic!' ('Bones' McCoy)

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          • #6
            Stephen, it's not the tab that needs to be adjusted. The bottom of the tool, the surface that sits on the head when you bolt it in place, that needs to be ground down so the tool sits lower into the cam bucket cavity. And, when I did mine, I found I had to elongate one of the bolt holes allow the tool to move over a bit. It does work, but it is a real PIA.
            Brian
            1978E Midlife Crisis - A work in progress
            1984 Kawasaki 550 Ltd - Gone, but not forgotten

            A married man should forget his mistakes. There's no use in two people
            remembering the same thing!

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            • #7
              I discussed this problem with Joe Fratis of Motion Pro at the NY Motorcycle show. He asked me to write him, so I sent him copies of some of our posts here. Here's his reply. My original e-mail is farther down



              Hello Randy,

              Thanks for the information, feedback is always appreciated. I would like to direct a question your way in regards to this, in the past we have been contacted in regards to use of this product with similar comments and found that the end user was putting the little tab of the tool in the slot of the bucket, this is not correct, the slot in the bucket is there to remove the shim once the bucket is depressed, the tab of the tool is intended to sit on the edge of the bucket but not in the slot, is it possible that this is the case? Before we proceed I would like to eliminate the simple things, if this is not the case I will of course look into this in further detail for you but I just want to check first. I hope you find this information to be of assistance and I look forward to your replay.

              Best regards,

              Joe Fratis

              Motion Pro, Inc.



              -----Original Message-----
              From: Randy Rago [mailto:rrago@nyaes.com]
              Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 7:09 AM
              To: Joe F
              Subject: Motion Pro tool Part # 08-0020 VALVE SHIM TOOL YAM



              Dear Joe,



              We met briefly at the New York Motorcycle show. We spoke about the above referenced valve tool and I voiced my concern for the engineering and application for the Yamaha XS1100 series engines (’79 through ’82).



              I am part of a group of about 1,000 XS owners (xs11.com) and many of us have this tool and have had difficulty getting it to work properly. Some of us have actually altered it to enable us to change valve shims with your tool. Obviously, something is amiss.



              You suggested that I contact you in writing, so here it is. I’ve attached a few comments about the use of your tool from some of our group members for your perusal. I hope this info is useful in that Motion Pro can make adjustments to the dimensions of the tool so that it is more suitable for use on these engines?



              If you need any additional information, please don’t hesitate to contact me.



              Best regards,



              Randy Rago

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              • #8
                "Put the tab of the tool in the slot on the bucket"
                Yeah, like I'm a stinkin' idiot!

                But, as a company rep., yes, that would be the first question he should ask. Many people do things in incredibly stupid ways.

                Well, I don't see Motion Pro contacting their supplier, nor re-tooling their equipment to make changes if that's the case. And they sure won't be refunding any money to us who have already purchased this item long ago.
                After self-modification, I'm sure it is useable.
                I just use the Kawi tool, or pull the cams.
                "Damn it Jim, I'm a doctor, not a mechanic!' ('Bones' McCoy)

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                • #9
                  The last time I used the tool ( a couple of years ago ) I figured out the modification. ( Grind down the lip that meets with the cover surface, enlongate the holes so it moves the tool to the bottom part of the bucket.) Like I said before, It worked OK, the problem I had this time was that the little tab would not stay on the bucket. It kept snapping down to the head caseing. The tab needs to be moved inward toward the center of the shim slightly. That's what the banging of the hammer was. The metal is fairly brittle and the tab broke.
                  S.R.Czekus

                  1-Project SG (Ugly Rat Bike)(URB)
                  1-big XS patch
                  1-small XS/XJ patch
                  1-XS/XJ owners pin.
                  1-really cool XS/XJ owners sticker on my helmet.
                  2-2005 XS rally T-shirts, (Bean Blossom, In)
                  1-XVS1300C Yamaha Stryker Custom (Mosquito)
                  1-VN900C Kawasaki Custom (Jelly Bean)

                  Just do it !!!!!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by randy
                    the tab of the tool is intended to sit on the edge of the bucket but not in the slot, is it possible that this is the case?
                    IIRC, this has been mentioned in the past right here on the forum when people have been having trouble. I believe we have eliminated this as a reason.
                    Ken Talbot

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                    • #11
                      I modified mine to make it work -- and it works OK now. I had to grind out the round part that contacts the cam. Is it possible that all of the heads aren't the same?
                      Bill Murrin
                      Nashville, TN
                      1981 XS1100SH "Kick in the Ass"
                      1981 XS650SH "Numb in the Ass"
                      2005 DL1000 V-Strom "WOW"
                      2005 FJR1300 Newest ride
                      1993 ST1100 "For Sale $2,700" (Sold)
                      2005 Ninja 250 For Sale $2,000 1100 miles

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                      • #12
                        No, it's more likely that the quality control standards of the tool aren't the same. I mean... the thing doesn't work in the first place
                        "Damn it Jim, I'm a doctor, not a mechanic!' ('Bones' McCoy)

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                        • #13
                          so...

                          did motion pro ever address this?
                          '80 SG
                          '79F engine

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                          • #14
                            No, they never did. It's crap.

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