Gunfire near my house

[HobbyMan]

what were are the rules considering Australia's gun ban? If it was all firearms to legal citizens, then that would explain the crime spike.

[prometheus578]

"Now that's interesting."

The incident took place the eve of 9/10 November, and from all accounts was unexpected and not a government sanctioned action. All high ranking (and local level leaders) were at a party meeting...away from their posts ... these being the people who would have been neccesary to coordinate such an undertaking.
Most evidence points to Goebbels acting on his own authority, which was minimal in terms of state economic policy.
I find it interesting that the NYT reported that the day before, "weapons were confiscated." If this were fact, I'm sure that Justice Jackson would have commented on it during his prosecution of Goring (or Frick) during the IMT at Nuremberg to show premeditation or a "common plan".
Comments like "Gun confiscation laws" and such are often bandied about...(often with good intentions) though most people are too careless to actually research the resources to see if there's any basis behind them.
Now, MRO, good friend that you are, I'm not calling you careless. I would like, if you have the time, for you to cite the references for your above statement. As you can see from the time stamp of my last post, I have nothing better to do at 4:00am than to sit here, chain smoke, and study obscure history.

Please, do not insult me and say that this came from Wikipedia. And if it was something you saw on "The Hitler Channel", I believe your free time would be better served if you watched "American Idol" or "Dancing with the Stars" instead.

[mro]

Following Germany's defeat in World War I, the Weimar Republic passed very strict gun control laws in an attempt both to stabilize the country and to comply with the Versailles Treaty of 1919 - laws that in fact required the surrender of all guns to the government. These laws remained in effect until 1928, when the German parliament relaxed gun restrictions and put into effect a strict firearm-licensing scheme. These strict licensing regulations foreshadowed Hitler's rise to power.

If you read the 1938 Nazi gun laws closely and compare them to earlier 1928 Weimar gun legislation - as a straightforward exercise of statutory interpretation - several conclusions become clear. First, with regard to possession and carrying of firearms, the Nazi regime relaxed the gun laws that were in place in Germany at the time the Nazis seized power. Second, the Nazi gun laws of 1938 specifically banned Jewish persons from obtaining a license to manufacture firearms or ammunition. Third, approximately eight months after enacting the 1938 Nazi gun laws, Hitler imposed regulations prohibiting Jewish persons from possessing any dangerous weapons, including firearms.

The difficult question is how to characterize the Nazi treatment of the Jewish population for purposes of evaluating Hitler's position on gun control. Truth is, the question itself is absurd. The Nazis sought to disarm and kill the Jewish population. Their treatment of Jews is, in this sense, orthogonal to their gun-control views. Nevertheless, if forced to take a position, it seems that the Nazis aspired to a certain relaxation of gun registration laws for the "law-abiding German citizen" - for those who were not, in their minds, "enemies of the National Socialist state," in other words, Jews, Communists, etc.

6 million is the number most used for how many Jews were “exterminated” in the death camps. At the same time it is estimated that more than 7 or 8 million “others” were also killed in the camps. Gun registration/laws were but one of the tools used at the time against there citizens as well as citizens in occupied countries.
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Sorry to cut short.
Just received a call (not unexpected) that requires my presence elsewhere.

Mro
most above stolen from the net

[prometheus578]

most above stolen from the net

(Yes, and rather badly, too, I might add.)
HAAHHAAHHAHAAaaa
Ok, on to business...
Your second paragraph, concerning the ban on manufacturing (and the sale) of weapons is accurate.
Please cite the reference for the last statement "approximately eight months after..." This would seem to coincide with policy at the time, but if I can't research it I can't verify it to myself.

Third paragraph, though mostly opinion, can be a logically drawn conclusion, except for the statement "The Nazis sought to disarm and kill the Jewish population" That one you'd never be able to document or provide any credible reference to. But if you feel that you can, I'd be happy to look into it.

[HobbyMan]

I should start quoting from my Dad's many volumes of The Encyclopedia Britannica

[mro]

Here is some rather dry, but informitive reading for you.

http://www.pierrelemieux.org/halbrook-nazi.pdf

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Hey Hobbyman,
single sources of information can misled. (unless your getting it from me )



mro
btw, had written about 300 words on this to post.
While I was looking it over realized that "W.F.C." and your mind seems to be made up.
Would rather stick to the short smarta$$ remarks.

Mohandas Gandhi
"Even if you are a minority of one, the truth is the truth. "

[prometheus578]

Thank you, MRO.

Dry reading, though tedious, is often the best source of information, especially if researched and documented as well as that article was.
A pretty good read... almost forgot, till the end, that it was written not as an historical overview,(on which I thrive) but to illustrate the author's point of view concerning totalitarian government policies. (my only interest here if it pertains historically to military matters)
Of course, our current government's actions concern me on several fronts.
Now, a bigger question arises... what the hey were you doing on a Canadian Government Resistance site in the first place?
Does "The Department of Homeland Security" know that you visit subversive sites? I suppose that they know now.
Oh great! I poked around that site for an hour or two, so there's a record of me being there, as well.
Nice goin'!
I knew hangin' around with you would get me into trouble.


Hobbyman... Encyclopedia Britannica (Wikipedia, too, for that matter) is written for the massses and students doing reports on Spotted Owls and such. Taken on it's own, consider it useless, biased and politically correct, but use the names, places and events that it provides to provoke further in-depth research.

[mro]

what the hey were you doing

Geeze..........
started it agin.

Like to see differing points of view.
Forming opinions without trying to see something from various angles leads to a 2 dimensional image in a 3 dimensional world.

I'm not subversive nor anti-government.
Do think ours has gone too far and plans to go further.

As far as I can tell (and I have looked) and from the limited traveling I've done there still is no better over-all place to live than the "good ole USA".

Unfortunately as the originator of this thread has learned, there are places to avoid even here because of the action/inaction of government

mro

[Snow]

Try checking out Belgium