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  • TopCatGr58
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    My Monstrous Rally Experience

    (Reposted from the XSSE 2016 Rally thread in case you weren't following it vs. this thread.)
    Okay,

    After a good night's sleep, I'm now ready to expound on my total XSSE 2016 Rally experience, hope you're ready for a ride! For those of you that have not seen/followed my rebuild thread, I decided to do a frame up rebuild of Godzilla this year, but a couple of months into it, realized that the pace I had chosen was woefully too slow, and then cranked up my activity to a fevere pitch over the last few weeks to get it done and ready for the rally. Amazingly I got it completed and in running condition so it could be inspected Thursday, and we could then leave Friday AM for the trip.

    I now bring your attention to this first photo courtesy of JetMechMarty:

    Note the bandaid across my forehead. This should have been the first OMEN for me! I had the bike on the CenterStand and on the bike lift, fully loaded saddlebags/trunk, and I needed to take it off the centerstand. The way you usually do that is to get a good rocking action and then a strong forward lunge/push on the handlebars to push it off of the CS. I wasn't yet wearing my helmet, and had forgotten that I had just put on the windscreen....BLAM....hit my forehead on the sharp edge of the top of the screen and gave myself a nice 1.5 inch long deep scrape up my forehead! DOH! Drew BLOOD even!

    Okay, got it outside, George arrived, fired up and we were OFF! But after just the first 1.5 hours worth of riding on that Harley Single seat...I realized I wouldn't be able to survive on my skinny white bony butt, and I also wished I had made time to install my engine guard/cruise pegs! So...we stopped at a local LOWE's store, found a nice outside chair lounge cushion....in green even....and also got some 1" square tubing 3 feet long with some SS U-clamps and mounted it up high on the frame just above the headers. Problems solved, we were off again.

    George had calculated fuel stops about every 120 miles, but I was running out right around 100....and even after I would switch to RESERVE it wouldn't act right, felt like it was still running on just 2 cylinders, so I chalked it up to the more slanted angle of the tank, and that with the extra weight, windscreen, and 70+ mph speed was just eating my mileage! This problem will show up later!

    So...we made it about 300+ miles to near Asheville when I again ran low on fuel, pulled off the highway, and tried to get to the station, but my clutch wasn't working right! We checked it out, went to the fullest cable handlebar adjustment and still wasn't right, SO...took off the engine cover and found that the throwout lever locknut had worked loose and fell off! After putting all back together and locktited, the handlebar lever still didn't feel right and was still at the fullest adjustment! It was a NEW clutch cable, but generic, and so we surmised that it had stretched! Thankfully I had packed my old cable as a backup! We tried to fish it thru the frame ziptied the old onto the end of the new one, but it kept hanging up under the tank, so we had to pull the tank off. But I had BOLTED my backrest to my luggage rack, and it extended over the rear end of the seat, so we couldn't just lift the seat to allow clearance for the tank, SO we had to unbolt the seat from the frame, then we got the tank off. THEN we saw that I had included the clutch cable into a ziptie that I had used to secure some of the other harness wires to the frame....that's why it wouldn't just fish thru!

    Okay, got it done, back together and we were off again. Hit some nasty stop and crawl traffic on I-40 just past Asheville, and so we took a GPS detour, had planned to get onto the BRP near there anyways for the last leg to the IronHorse. But while running down the road I happened to be watching my voltmeter, and saw that it wasn't getting above 12V, wasn't sure how long it had been that way. So... we pulled off into a gas station, and took the cover off just to see if the drive belt had broken or what. I was intact, but the pulley was burn fingers hot, and with the recent previous stop/crawl traffic and 85+ temps and enclosed alt case/cover, that perhaps the ALT had an overheat protection circuit that cut it off? So...we waited there a 1/2 hour trying to let it cool down, finally even got some empty soda bottles and filled them with tap water and slowly poured them over the pulley/case trying to speed up the cooling. Got the pulley and case cooled down, and so we decided to fire it up and see if the ALT would show charging, left the cover off for better wind cooling....but once the engine started, we saw that the belt was SPINNING AROUND the ALT pulley, but the ALT's pulley wasn't spinning! We then took a wrench to the pulley nut to see if it would spin, and it wouldn't, it had totally mechanically grenaded....bearings burned up, pieces falling out thru the vent slots! I jokingly quipped..."at least the crankshaft seals aren't leaking"! That will bite me in the a$$ later!

    It was already after 6 pm. We went to an auto parts store just a mile down the road, but they didn't have anything they could cross reference, they had internet access, and was able to find my special Mini Race Alt model #, 8162, but nothing that could work! Called Swmbo to let her know, she reminded me that I had AAA, called them, but it was only for CAR.....I would have had to have upgraded to RV/recreational vehicle level to cover Motorcycle! I was running out options, ideas. To get a replacement ALT I thought I would have to order one online and express ship it, possibly get it by Monday, install and finally be able to at least get back home...but miss the Rally rides completely. The local car rental place was already closed, so I couldn't get a car to drive back home to get my SUV/trailer and then drive back, pickup bike and then drive home again!

    So...George was able to get thru to RichV, and he was able to get Harry/Bigfoot to graciously come the 50+ miles with his truck/trailer and haul me at least to the Hotel I was staying at in Robbinsville, where I could then plan my repair options. Dropped the bike at the Hotel, rode back to the I.H. with Harry, and then after unhooking the trailer, he made a magnanimous offer to let me borrow his truck while chasing my repair options while he was riding at the rally.

    Got back to the hotel, and started researching, found the manufacturer's website:
    Powermaster Performance designs and builds starters, alternators, and charging solutions trusted by racers, builders, and enthusiasts worldwide.

    and they had a DEALER Locater link, searched places within 30, then 50 then 100 miles, most places were basic parts places, but didn't list the ALT on their webpages. Finally found a place called Tennessee Speed & Sport,

    showed a brick/mortar location in Chattanooga, and their website listed the Alt In STOCK...but they were closed at 1 am Saturday morning! Got up at 8:00, called their 800 number, verified they had the ALT, they were open from 8-6pm, put my name on it, and took off for Chattanooga across the mountains. Some 2 hours later arrived at the address.....BUT no store! I then called the regular phone # for that location I had also written down...and got the "NO LONGER IN SERVICE" message! I called the 800 number again, and THEN found out that they had closed that location 2 years earlier, but it was still listed in the Manufacturer's Dealer listing! It was only ~11am, so I got the address of the ACTIVE store location...and set my GPS....to NASHVILLE some 140 miles farther! Arrived at 1:30pm, got the ALT in my hands, had to pay ~$220 full retail....was only ~$85.00 ONLINE! But I had it in my hands Saturday vs. having to wait till Monday/Tuesday, along with Express shipping charges and such!

    Okay, drove the 4 hours back to the hotel. Had to remove the old one, also the PULLEY and swap it onto the new one. The main aluminum housing mounting hole had a steel sleeve in it that made it too small for the bolt I had....but was able to knock/punch out the sleeve so that it would fit. Had stopped and gotten some extra 3/8's washers for spacers to help align the pulley/belt in case it was slightly off due to manufacturing variances...but got it installed, and VIOLA, was working and charging. I now would be able to Drive/Ride home....and also get to attend and RIDE Sunday's Rally ride. Rode the bike back the I.H. for the Saturday night's awards ceremony and such. Rode back to the Hotel to get a good night's sleep so I could enjoy the next day's ride.

    Got up, dressed, and decided to top off the tank since I would be 30 miles short due to the 10 mile trips back and forth from the hotel in Robbinsville to the I.H. Lodge, but when I stopped at the station just a minute after running the bike, I saw SMOKE billowing up from the engine! I looked down and saw not just a few drops, but a 3 inch diameter PUDDLE of oil on the floor, and all over the headers! This first photo is after I had moved the bike to the side of the station, but you can clearly see the oil sheen on the headers....



    And the trail of oil down the front of the tranny case above the drain bolt where the SOFA's seal had apparently broken and leaked out! I had re-installed it a few years earlier, had used the BLACK RTV for oil, but my SOFA was an earlier design with a square channel for the round O-ring, and it had compressed/flattened due to the years/heat. SO...I called George and let him know that I would be missing breakfast and at least the morning's leg of the ride. I then had to remove the SOFA to reseal it! I didn't have my oil drain bowl from home....realized I didn't need a 5+ quart bowl, just something for the ~3.5 quarts. Went to the store and got a gallon jug of drinking water, poured it out, cut off the top, and dried it out with the roll of paper towels I bought, was also able to get a can of spray carb cleaner to degrease things. Then tore into it, had to pull the muffler, headers off, drain the oil, and then the filter, and then get the SOFA off, cleaned/scraped the old RTV off, the O-ring, then layed a nice layer of ThreeBond down in the O-ring channel, placed/press the O-ring into it, then slathered the 3bond along the top as well, and then was able to reinstall it, the pipes, and reuse the OIL!!




    Fired it up and nary a drop leak!! It was ~11:00 am, rode to the I.H. to see if there was anybody there that could tell me where the rally group was going for lunch.
    Evidence of Godzilla at the I.H. Sunday AM.


    Greg had stayed behind due to his little drop incident, had showered and said he was wanting to also meet up with the group, so we decided to ride together, went the reverse direction up the Cherahola skyway to Tellico Plains/Etowah to the restaurant. Had lunch, and was able to do the final leg of the rally ride back to the hotel/lodge. Was having a great run about halfway thru the parkway, when the XS Gods felt I wasn't yet worthy to have so much fun...and so we got RAINED ON for 5 minutes, and wet the roads enough to not be able to do any fun yanking and banking for the rest of the ride back! Returned Harry's Truck to him, had dinner and socialized a bit, and then back to the hotel to prepare for the trip home.

    **But wait...there's MORE** ! !

    Next morning, had breakfast and then George and I took off for home. Due to the lack of twisties I got to experience, we again planned a route including a section of the BRP just after Asheville to Boone before getting on 40E. Also planned a stop at Grandfather Mountain and the mile high swinging bridge I had visited as an early teenager some 40 years earlier!

    Okay, on the highway at around the 60 mile mark....my bike started cutting out like it was starving for fuel again. Hit/switched to reserve, but no help, pulled off into a station to see what was happening. Filled up with fuel, but only took 2 gallons? Found an auto parts store just a few blocks up the road, so we went there. I then pulled the fuel lines and the small cone lawnmower filters, test blew into them, one was easy, but one had a surprising amount of resistance. Flipped it around and saw this! Sorry for the focus, but you get the idea!

    Got a replacement and put it on, and it was then hitting on all 4 again....this also explained the previous lack of effectiveness of RESERVE on the trip down, wasn't enough gravity feed pressure to push it thru that partially clogged filter, so never could get the 1-2 carbs filled/working. We were off again. Got to the BRP and had a good hour's run, had to pass a few cars along the way.... but made it to Grandfather's Mountain swinging bridge and lookout.



    We then drove off the mountain and away from the BRP, but hit some wet roads where it had just rained before we got there. We then stopped for gas....we had been watching a band of rain clouds approaching, and decided to don our rain gear after we heard the thunder booms! While there I noticed some OIL on my right boot toe and a few drops on the ground. First thought it might be from the galley plug/ O-ring that is normally sealed by the OEM Alt cover, I had adapted my Alt Mount bracket to do the same thing, and had replaced the O-ring when I had put the Alt on, but that was back in 2011. Checked the oil level, and we took off, hit some serious rain getting thru town and a ways down 421 until we got far enough away, rode to the next fuel stop and late lunch stop where we could then take off the rain gear and chow down. The amount of oil on my boot was much more, and several more drops on the floor. Looked closer, and then saw the oil trail from the crankcase seal area behind the alt flywheel/pulley. But it's a bit slower leak, not as severe at the SOFA leak was, so we checked the oil, topped it up, I even put a little towel around the area to try to cut down on the splattering from the dripping.



    Ended up using a whole quart to get the 300+ miles home from that point, but arrived safely and otherwise intact without grenading the engine/bike. BTW, I also had lost my left side turn signals...think it's in the switch, tested the bulbs/sockets by plugging them into the other side harness plugs, and they worked. Further diagnostics are required.

    So...the first photo showed me holding the Golden Wrench award...which was mostly for having to repair the clutch/cable on the trip down. But after the weekend's events, that thing should be Platinum with Diamond clusters!!! .



    Almost forgot, the final slap in the face was that on the ride home during some first gear take offs, I felt the stutter affect of the dreaded 1st gear tranny problem that I had originally fixed in 2000, and up to just this spring before the tear down, had NO symptoms of repeat failure. Would have been nice to have known this WHILE I had the engine out of the frame and the tranny pan off! Not looking forward to having to tear into it NOW to repair the gears again!?

    Scott, the muffler paint was 500degree engine paint, I didn't think the muffler section got anywhere near that hot compared to the headers where I used 1200 paint, but you can see the discoloration/blackening of the muffler paint. Not sure if another coat on top of it might help, it's ceramic based, can only try it??

    Somehow my signature seems more apropos than usual!

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  • RichW1064
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    (sun setting...)

    *Rich1064* - peeks face into the greatest convo he has been in with-in years...

    looking around admiring everything surrounding he takes a step back and ask's...


    (lights a bright, children running and enjoying, mom doing her magic where she see's best, (mom's always was the favored you know.)

    "how in the world are we ever going to get to the show with what we have to work with?..." "yesterday the car broke down and your sister cant carry all this load Barb..."

    pause in dialect...

    *Barbra-bitch* - (looking around and looking at me, pausing then smiling.)("she is good at this degree of deployment..!" ""wonderful"")

    "honey, she has just invited you to a fall group get to gather and has told you to get the bikes ready to roll..." there wasn't any mention of the number the trailer can haul"... "she told me that if is the place we need to go then there no reason to drag your knuckles"...


    *Rich1064* - (states while sharing that smile)

    "when was the last time I told you just how beautiful you are Lady...?"


    *Barbra-bitch* - "get your stuff loaded and lets get there, your sharing a generation of material , though its all motorcycle, the world is your backyard two-wheels... and yes I admire you for who you are..."


    *Rich1064* - (falling to one knee, looking up at her with care. speaking manly.)

    "Baby... you are the best.... love eternal...."

    Morals do have way of setting in motion a direct drive straight into a heart... know your direction and know the heart you live for...




    we never made it to the place we were heading, child came along and several years into the relationship there was the money issue. she went her way and me, my way. the child (and his friends shall number strong) Scott is that man and stands next to me as my closest friend and everything I represent... He is the best friend God has ever blessed me with.... praise God... amen...


    Rich (xs11.com'er) (yes I would love to touch her again)
    Last edited by RichW1064; 09-22-2016, 07:31 PM.

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  • RichW1064
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    yes I remember seeing the pic's and yes we are glad to know he wasn't hurt... I seen that the bike that was damaged was the special, but I have been working with an 79 H model (sorry, ment the F model, said someplace that I still have much to learn regarding these bikes), took the blown out standard forks off and put on a SG model front... I didn't measure it but when sitting next to my 80sg it appears to sit an 1 higher? with gas tank installed... maybe the tank mounts are located a little differently?

    TC... can we shout out "its alive" yet? I know that you and the friends have been working hard at this, and I am anxious to see pic's of Godzilla plated and on the roll...
    Last edited by RichW1064; 09-21-2016, 06:41 PM.

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  • GLoweVA
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    Originally posted by RichW1064
    lol... I thought TC had painted it in... that's why the "shutter-bug" insert... back to the frame at the triple tree, is it just me or do the H models sit at a different degree of rake? or is it just this particular H model that I am working on..? maybe at some point a previous owner fell prey to the bumper bounce, not sure...
    Rich, his old frame had a bent in steering neck so he had added longer forks a while back. Now he's got a good special frame and transferring all to it, plus adding frame gussets and such, plus modifying the seat too. So thats why the rake looks different.

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  • RichW1064
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    lol... I thought TC had painted it in... that's why the "shutter-bug" insert... back to the frame at the triple tree, is it just me or do the H models sit at a different degree of rake? or is it just this particular H model that I am working on..? maybe at some point a previous owner fell prey to the bumper bounce, not sure...

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  • Prothec
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    Originally posted by RichW1064
    ok I can't stand it any longer... "whats up with the lady bug?"... lol... how in the world did a lady bug get into the theme..? lol... shutter-bug...
    Ladybugs being good luck (and killing one bad luck) is one of those superstitious folklore/spread around the school yard kind of thing that some people grow up hearing.

    Edit: Maybe you're saying you know that

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  • RichW1064
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    on the more serious note TC... is the rake still as the affected or have the corrections been made..? I have noticed that the H model seems to have a touch more stance verse the G model... this would be a sub-straight injection.... trying to avoid a car that has slammed into traffic...(ck spel) its brakes strait ahead might be a reason for a "WTF"... just something to work with...

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  • RichW1064
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    ok I can't stand it any longer... "whats up with the lady bug?"... lol... how in the world did a lady bug get into the theme..? lol... shutter-bug...

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  • RichW1064
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    things are coming along nicely TC... wonderful...

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  • 3Phase
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    It looks great, T.C.!

    I know all about getting in a hurry and realizing it's later than you thought. My 'oops' for the day was putting on the carburetors -- it was much easier to put everything back than taking it out for some reason -- and I hooked up the choke/enrichener cable to the throttle.

    Way to go, George, way to go!

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  • MaximPhil
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    Looking good TC. Fresh Pizza makes it better
    Phil

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  • TopCatGr58
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    A great many thanks to GEORGE!!

    Hey Folks,

    Haven't been on for a couple of days, as George stated, have been busy trying to get this thing completed. I truly appreciate the help he provided Friday PM in getting the engine in the frame. I had plans of sliding it across from the end of the bike lift into the frame, and that's sorta what "WE" did, but sure was easier with 2 sets of hands/muscles hefting that 300 lb anchor in, and then back out again. In my haste to get it mounted, I inadvertently put the upper engine mounts into the lower engine slots, and vice versa. And they were/are an interference fit, hammered them in really well, so they would be next to impossible to get back out! Anyways, they made the lower portion just a few mm's too wide, had to cut/grind a bit off of the inside of the FRAME mounts to allow them to fit, but were able to do so!

    I had hopes(foolishly) of getting it done in time for inspection this Saturday, that's why I stayed up ALL NIGHT trying to see if I could get it together enough....ha...ha! By 8:00 am Saturday, I realized that I was still DAYS away from having it ready, so I crawled off to bed, slept till ~1pm today, got up, cleaned up, did the household shopping, and then dove back into working on it late this afternoon.

    Here's a photo....sorry for backlight glare, but you can see it's no longer just a bucket of parts!



    Last night, got the swingarm and driveshaft...that was a PITA, had to take the swingarm off so I could see the driveshaft to U-joint junction...the compression "C" ring kept binding and preventing me from pushing it all the way into the U-joint. Then when I went to put the rear wheel on....I took another look at it, and saw that somehow I had brainfarted, and had mounted the new rubber in the backwards rotation position! Needless to say that set me back another 1/2 hour flipping the tire around, and THEN another half hour chasing all of the little friggin' balance beads that fell out!!

    I mounted the TCI onto the lower forward plastic splash guard of the rear fender, but then after putting the fuse panel in, realized that the starter solenoid would stick out too far and hit the inside edge of the ALUMINUM METAL side cover....because the rubber and metal mount for the solenoid was hitting the TCI. SO...I had to reposition the TCI a few inches farther LEFT to make room for the solenoid! Got the license plate holder put back on the rear fender, and have it mounted. Also mounted the new gas assist shocks....took some massaging to get them to fit.....slight dremmeling of the FD mount shaft for the 14mm bushing to fit over it, also had to change the bushing for the right swingarm end...the bolt is only 10-12mm diameter, had the wrong bushing I.D. on it, also had to cut off a couple mm's because it was too wide. But they are now mounted as well. As stated, both front and rear brakes are on. Another brainfart..had put the front forks/triple tree/handlebars on and THEN realized that the front brake line needed to run THRU the lower TT section, so had to take the top TT, headlight assembly off to get the brakeline routed. I also had apparently ordered the wrong type of brake handlebar lever, was going to have a nice new BLACK ONE, but it didn't fit or activate the brake light switch, etc, so had to put the old one back on!

    Had removed the shift cover lever seal, and then finally went to put the new one in....WRONG SIZE! Thankfully I found the OLD one, and was able to put it back in! Just fun stuff like that that makes it take so much longer to do the assembly! Here's a closeup of the shift cover....a little OMEN of good luck I think!


    As I stated, the accents aren't professional grade....and it's quite difficult to paint brush on SPRAY PAINT paint....it's a bit thin, and the brush apparently would spread a little with just a tad more presssure, and so that's why it looks a little wavy along the edges...but from 10 feet away, they look good!

    Rich, as for the fenders, yes, they were originally chrome, but badly pitted/rusted, and so I took a fairly course paint remover wheel and scuffed them up a decent amount, and then used some etching primer the previous time. This time, just used some rust convertor primer, but I think the sandable primer would have been a better choice...it seems to stick better. Just hoping I don't bump it with anything to cause it to chip or flake!

    I didn't have the harness installed, just layed out along the frame trying to make sense of it, and need to mod it a bit to remove some older changes and make a few new ones. I got the coils installed today, along with the shift cover, clutch cover, valve cover. I got the headers cleaned up decently, and then sprayed with some VHT ~1200 degree ceramic black...but regrettably it's a FLAT FINISH vs. the black chrome/ceramic coating that my old MAC Black 4-1 system had on it!

    Gotta remember to get and put in the axle cotter pins! Also, need to put the new oil filter and fill it back up with fresh oil, and get a nylon washer for the drain plug! Tomorrow I'll be getting the harness and wiring all done. I still need to get the backrest made and fitted to the saddlebag/trunk frame mount. I don't know if I'll have time to MOD the footrests in time for the trip!? Also need to put the petcocks on the tank, gas cap, and carbs and get them on and hooked up. Also need to put the intake boots, exhaust on. Also the LED headlight bulb swapped into the housing, and also the AUX LED lights mounted. But the TO DO list is getting much shorter!!!

    But like George said, it's mostly a 1 person job at this point, the heavy lifting stuff with the motor is done...again many thanks to George for stopping by and pitching in!!!

    T.C.

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  • MaximPhil
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    Thanks George for helping TC if only your presence and encouragement.
    TC it sounds like good progress is being made.
    Looking forward to seeing both of you at IH
    Phil

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  • GLoweVA
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    So, i stopped by today after work. He worked until 7am last night. 🏍
    He's got the tires and wheels on, brakes installed, wiring harness back on the frame and starting to hook up the components. Rear fender is on also. It's not much 2 person work, so an extra set of hands won't help much.
    I offered to come by the rest of the week for moral support and/or troubleshooting assistance if needed.
    IF he can get done before Thurs then he get it inspected Thurs and we'll roll out Thurs afternoon of Friday morning.

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  • ViperRon
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    I will be missing again this year but my heart is with you. Everyone have a great ride be safe and enjoy yourselves.

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